Does Boxing's respectability as a legitimate sport still exist at this point?

[PRINCEKOOL]

Boxing is a sport which was refined from, no holds barred fighting.

Prize fighting started out as no holds barred fighting, and then progressed into boxing.

For whatever reason, most of all other athletes in combat sports will always keep a eye on boxing.

The Heavyweight Champion, or Champions in boxing are actual World Champions 'There are no official World Champions in mixed martial arts, the participation levels are too level in all of the organisations. There seems to be only two one level of fighting in most other combat sports, and that is elite level'.

Where has boxing, is a open class combat sport which encompasses all levels 'From grassroots level to elite level'.

Boxing is not a sport in the same sense that Tennis, Soccer, Basketball, Rugby are sports 'Boxing is not a leisure activity'.

Boxing is and was a way for working class men to survive, and it just so happened to become a attraction 'Nothing has really altered, boxing is still that type of activity'.

Francis Ngannou came into this sport to do what? Survive, and progress 'And he has achieved more in one fight, in terms of gaining international respect and credit than he did in his entire mixed martial arts career'.

If a Non-track and field athlete was to fancy themselves that they could beat the best 100m sprinter in the world 'And if they were to race them, and give them a close race'. This result in all honesty, does not have a negative effect on the sport of Track and Field Athletics 'Because those sports are open class sports, if a Athlete believes they are good enough well? Then come and compete'.

Boxing is still the litmus test between men who want to duel it out 'Going back in history, men have had sword fights, cowboys have at duels the list goes on'.

But it is boxing which historically has been the combat duel, which has been the greatest test 'If this was not true, then Francis Ngannou, Conor Mcgregor would not of soon as they had risen to the top of their sports, then had aspirations to challenge whoever was deemed as the best fighter in boxing'.

The equivalent does not happen in boxing 'It is boxers that are being challenged, they are the athletes who are yearned after. Boxers are the fighters being challenged, not other combat sports athletes'.

Tyson Fury was not bothered a few years ago, about whoever the Mixed Martial Arts Heavyweight Champion was in one organisation, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Muhammad Ali, and we could go on'.

If you are a athlete who regards themselves as great athlete, a fast sprinter 'Then eventually there may become a point were, that athletes believes that they can take on whoever is the best Track and Field athlete and 100m Sprinter'.

The reason why I have mentioned the 100m Sprint, is because it is the equivalent to the Heavyweight division in boxing 'They have historically been compared to Heavyweight boxers, they are the Heavyweights of Track and field Athletics'.

In 1996, when Michael Johnson won Three Olympic Gold Medals at the Atlanta Olympics 'Johnson won two individual Gold Medals in the 200m and 400m sprint events. Achieving a feat that had never been reached before. Michael Johnson broke the then 200m World Record of 19.66 sec by 0.34 sec, which no track statistician could of predicted. For 24 years the 200m World Record went unbroken of 1972 seconds held by Petro Paolo Menia, until Johnson in 1996 ran first 19.66 seconds, but then he seemingly transcended human performance into another stratosphere running 19.32 seconds over 200m in the Olympic final.

Usually in the short sprint events, the World Records do not get broken by that type of margin 'It may take a decade for a event to move forward by 5 one hundredths of a second to a tenth of a second'.

When Ben Johnson ran 9.77 seconds in the 1988 Seoul Olympic final 'But was then disqualified due to performance enhancing drugs. That performance still was regarded as the standard, Ben Johnson in track circles was still regarded as the Fastest man that had ever lived. Track and Field athletics is a objective sport, athletes will not completely ignore history or performances'.

It took mankind 11 years to get back towards that standard when Maurice Greene ran 9.79 seconds in 1999. It then took another 6 years for that record to be broken by 0.2 second by Asafa Powell in 2005'.

In 1996 Michael Johnson moved the 200m World Record from 19.72 to 19.32, that is 40 one hundredths of a second 'Almost half a second'. Statistically analysis of the race showed that Johnson, had ran the last 100m in 9.20 seconds 'From the 50m mark to the 150m mark of the 200m event, Michael Johnson ran 8.76 seconds. Johnson's first 150m was also the fastest ever 150m split time ever recorded to date.

People must also understand Michael Johnson was achieving all of these performances and statistics, while running around a bend 'In motor sport, cars do not have faster cornering speeds than top-end speeds on a straight. But even still Michael Johnson, was systemically breaking records and moving human track performance forward into a completely new stratosphere of existence'.

Donovan Bailey at the same Olympics Won the Olympic Gold Medal, and broke 100m World record 'Running a time of 9.84 seconds, claiming the title of the fastest man in the World'.

But questions were being asked? Was Donovan Bailey really the World fastest man? People began to speculate that Michael Johnson may actually be the World's fastest man 'And Michael Johnson himself, claimed that he was the World's fastest man'.

For the first time in Track and Field history, the 100m World and Olympic Champion was no longer regarded as the World's fastest man.

So a cross over event was created, a 150m race was scheduled to take place 'Were Michael Johnson & Donovan Bailey would compete against one another. The event happened and Bailey went on to win the event, Johnson pulled up with a injury'.

But the reason why I highlight this sporting event as a example, is because? Essentially within the umbrella of combat sports, exactly the same thing is happening. And in many other sports you can also track this same competitive behavior.

Formula 1 is regarded as the pinnacle of Motorsport 'Above Rally Car, IndyCar, NASCAR, World Endurance Racing, Motorcycle racing'.

Whenever a competitor in those sports rises to the top of their sport, the questions always gets asked? Can this Motor racing driver compete in formula 1? Even though a motor sport like Rally Car Racing does seem to be more extreme and challenging than Formula 1 in some aspects 'Formula 1 is still regarded as the pinnacle'.

Motor racing drivers from other sports, have historical at the peaks of their careers at times attempted to try and challenge Formula 1 drivers 'And win a race seat in the sport'. Most recently Valentino Rossi, was the last great motor sportsman were people speculated can this man compete in Formula one'.

In combat sports the same progression seems to be happening, and historically for whatever reasons this has always been the way. Whenever these other combat athletes rise to the top of their sport, whenever they exhaust all of their achievements 'They then ask themselves the question, or people ask the question? Can this combat sports athlete compete in boxing?'.

It is never the other way around, Canelo Alaverz, Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, Tyson Fury, Floyd Mayweather Junior 'When those boxers rose to the top of their sports, what happened? Not only do they become targets within their sports, they become a target and standard for all athletes in combat sports. Other athletes want to challenge them, but why is this? Boxing is still the litmus test and pinnacle of how men have a duel'.

Now I am not 100% sure why this is entirely 'But that is the way it has always been historically for a very long time now'. No top boxer is really concerned about what other combat athletes are doing, but Mixed Martial Arts fighters are all concerned about boxers 'There has always become a point were they want to challenge boxers inside a boxing ring. They may all start off not concerned about boxers, but in these past years there becomes a point were the questions get's ask? Can these fighters challenger boxers'.

There was a quote once upon a time, which I came across. But I cannot find it at this time, so I will just make up my own version of the quote'.

'Enemies, challengers will come for the King first not the prince'.

Tyson Fury as the Heavyweight Champion of the World, the so called lineal Champion according to himself 'Was essentially the King of all Combat sports, if this was not the case? Other athletes would not challenge him to a duel within his discipline' Tyson Fury is he man being challenge here, boxers are the combat athletes being challenged here, for whatever reason they are still the target and standard.

Note: Therefore in all honesty, I don't think the weekend events are a negative on the sport of boxing 'Boxing guys is just Prize fighting, it is a open class sport. If you think you can fight, well then boxing will give you a opportunity to compete or survive. That is all'.

[PerfectJab]

Yeah...the crucial difference here is boxing rules ban all the skills the other guy could use to easily win a fight. Whereas MMA rules allow the full range of a boxers skillset to be used, so do kickboxing and Muay Thai rules, and in those cases the boxers lose not because the rules artificially handicap them but because their actual fighting skillset is too one dimensional and has too many holes.



Yes but since biting&nutcrackingMMA is a completely fictional thing with a talent pool of exactly zero people outside of perhaps a Siberian prison or two, its a redundant argument. MMA exists, is a major combat sport, and has a now decent sized talent pool of people who would easily kick the **** out of boxers in any kind of fight that isnt a boxing match.

And what if they �re allowed to kick but maybe that isn't an advantage enough...?

Any fight that isn't a boxing match =SIGH= the streetfighting argument

MMA is in the exact same place when it comes to their arguments as what used to be their biggest critique targets ..... Traditional Martial Arts.
TMA default quote has always been "but on the streets/but if we could use all our tools..." which was always ridiculed by MMA and now look at them..

Anybody who knows anything knows that there have always been 2 golden rules when it comes to street fighting
a) Don't go to the ground
b) Kicks have no place in streetfighting

Still, MMA'ers still don't seem to remember these rules. Maybe because they came late to the fighting game..
I know a MMA guy and teacher who quit because it became too much a sport. He told of a guy who thought it was a good idea to pull someone into his guard during a fight. He was picked up and dumped on bicycle rack. Couldn't walk for 3 weeks...

There was a guy who took someone down and was taunting him while on top. The taken-down guy's mom passed by and kicked him in head. Out cold. Now go put that on your resum? KTFO by someone's mom....
Grappling is useless as soon as there is more than one assailant

Boxing rules any streetfight. That isn't even argument, old school MMA guys even agree. Complement it with basic takedown defense and you will come out on top of basically any streetfight you will face in your life.

But you believe what you want to believe.
I'm off..living my life, this arguing is taking too much of my time

(still don't understand what you're doing on a boxing forum but whatever...)

[TMLT87]

And what if they �re allowed to kick but maybe that isn't an advantage enough...?

Erickson was a high level wrestler with rudimentary striking skills even by the standards of early 00s HW MMA. Shannon Briggs beating him under kickboxing rules is a big victory to you? Shannon even admitted later that he was close to hitting the canvas because the kicks were ****ing him up, and that if Erickson had stayed at that range instead of getting overconfident and coming in to punching range he probably would have won. So yeah, Briggs almost lost a pure striking match to a wrestler with ****ty striking.

If you're gonna scramble for one of the few examples of a boxer not looking like a bum outside of boxing rules then at least go for the tried and tested Mercer/Tim fight, part of Rays illustrious 1-1 MMA career and 0-2 kickboxing career. Or better still that time Botha managed to beat Le Banner in kickboxing, granted he went 4-12 in total but still....

Punchers chance is a thing, thats all.

Anybody who knows anything knows that there have always been 2 golden rules when it comes to street fighting
a) Don't go to the ground
b) Kicks have no place in streetfighting

Rule no1 is based around the concept that other people could unexpectedly join in when you're on the ground and vulnerable, or that your opponent might have a concealed knife. Rule no2 is based around wearing clothes/shoes that dont allow for full range of movement, or a surface being slippery. Its all just circumstantial shyt that isnt really relevant to 1 v 1 unarmed combat and who the best fighters are.

He told of a guy who thought it was a good idea to pull someone into his guard during a fight.

Was this in like 1995? pulling guard has been considered a bad idea in MMA for decades.

Boxing rules any streetfight.

If by street"fight" you mean people getting sucker punched, stabbed, shot, multiple attackers vs one person etc. I'm sure I could "beat" Fury if I snuck up on him with a brick when hes asleep...who gives a **** about that? its got nothing to do with why combat sports exist ie to find out who the best fighters are.

[QueensburyRules]

- - From no boxing rating to Boxrec Boxing Rating, #589, Francis is on a roll to decimate the rest of the heavy pretenders taking up space in the rankings.

Stay away from AJ though. Better $$$ than Blubber pays, but he'd Knock you spark out!!!

[TMLT87]

Francis Ngannou came into this sport to do what? Survive, and progress 'And he has achieved more in one fight, in terms of gaining international respect and credit than he did in his entire mixed martial arts career'.

If a Non-track and field athlete was to fancy themselves that they could beat the best 100m sprinter in the world 'And if they were to race them, and give them a close race'. This result in all honesty, does not have a negative effect on the sport of Track and Field Athletics 'Because those sports are open class sports, if a Athlete believes they are good enough well? Then come and compete'.

Boxing is still the litmus test between men who want to duel it out 'Going back in history, men have had sword fights, cowboys have at duels the list goes on'.

But it is boxing which historically has been the combat duel, which has been the greatest test 'If this was not true, then Francic Ngannou, Conor Mcgregor would not of soon as they had risen to the top of their sports, then had aspirations to challenge whoever was deemed as the best fighter in boxing'.

The equivalent does not happen in boxing 'It is boxers that are being challenged, they are the athletes who are yearned after. Boxers are the fighters being challenge, not other combat sports athletes'.

You're overintellectualizing it. Literally the only reason this is happening is boxing paydays are much bigger than MMA paydays, and boxing is now open to also giving those paydays to none boxers right off the bat for their name value in order to try and boost the sports waning popularity. Nobody views boxing title fights as some "true" test of anything anymore. The only reason Ngannou got more credit and respect from the Fury fight than his MMA fights is because he had the balls and ability to go over to another sport and pull of a massive upset while seemingly being at a disadvantage, same way that Fury would get the more credit for going and winning a UFC title than anything hes done in boxing. it has nothing to do with boxing as sport or some imagined pretentious romanticized position it holds.

[PRINCEKOOL]

You're overintellectualizing it. Literally the only reason this is happening is boxing paydays are much bigger than MMA paydays, and boxing is now open to also giving those paydays to none boxers right off the bat for their name value in order to try and boost the sports waning popularity. Nobody views boxing title fights as some "true" test of anything anymore. The only reason Ngannou got more credit and respect from the Fury fight than his MMA fights is because he had the balls and ability to go over to another sport and pull of a massive upset while seemingly being at a disadvantage, same way that Fury would get the more credit for going and winning a UFC title than anything hes done in boxing. it has nothing to do with boxing as sport or some imagined pretentious romanticized position it holds.

Boxing is still the litmus test of how two men duel 'Boxing came from Mixed Martial Arts, prize fighting progressed into boxing' This is something you are overlooking, mankind for-whatever reason, went from no holds barred fighting into boxing.

Boxing rose up as the litmus test, the pinnacle of how two men have duel 'This is a historical fact'.

Was the combat event which happened on the weekend, a boxing event or mixed martial arts event? It was a boxing event.

Was Conor Mcgregor vs Floyd Mayweather Junior, a boxing event or mixed martial arts event? It was a boxing event.

Whenever those other combat athletes rise to the top of their sports, the questions is always asked 'Can they compete in boxing, it is never the other way around. Whether you like to deny it or not, it is boxers who are being challenged. They are the targets, they have been the standard throughout history'.

And I understand your argument, and reasoning? Because it some ways you would think boxing would not be the litmus test 'Because those other combat athletes, they have all these different area's in which they fight in'.

Rally Drivers, drive in the snow, the rain, through storms, their cars fly through the air over hills and craters 'But formula one is still regarded as the pinnacle of motor sport'.

Marathon Runners, run over 26 miles 'At a pace and intensity which is brutal. It is physiologically barbaric, there are ultra marathon runners compete understand life threatening conditions on many levels. There are Decathletes which perform at a very high level, over all track and field disciplines. But still the 100m event is regarded as the pinnacle of raw athleticism, they are the Heavyweights of Track and Field athletics' Other athletes from outside the sport, will at some point ask themselves the question? Can I compete with those athletes.

Once again combat sports seems to have gone full circle, and all these mixed martial arts fighters want to progress into boxing.

My argument is not about who would win in a street fight 'A sword fight was not a street fight, Cowboys did not have street fights. A discipline was created which men agreed upon, to be the litmus test of how they should duel'.

That is what boxing is 'Boxers can continue to just get on within their sport, and not really be concerned with other combat sports. Because they are the fighters being challenge, you cannot deny this mate'.

The weekend's events is not a negative on the sport of boxing, because when you really think about it? Two men wanted to test apart of their characters in a competitive discipline'.

Boxing puts direct pressure on a certain point of a man's being 'This is why certain sports, are fundamental always important. Sports like Track and field Athletics, Swimming and Cycling. Because they are putting a concentrated pressure and test on a certain part of the athlete'.

Boxing puts a concentrated pressure on a man 'You are going stand up, and you are going to fight. You are not going to go to the ground, you are not going to kick. And whatever you do? Do you tap-out'.

On some level, that type of competition has a very in-depth profound primordial meaning 'It is just the way it is mate, from my understanding'.

You still are not seeming to get it are you? Boxing is not entirely separate from Mixed Martial Arts 'Boxing came from Mixed Martial Arts'. All combat sports all exist in the same sphere of competition on different levels';.

And many variations of combat sports have been created, people will try and get away from boxing 'But it is come full circle, and whenever combat Athletes rise to the top of their sport they will ask themselves the question? Can I challenge the best boxers in the world, it has never been the other way around'.

So Tyson Fury fought Francis Ngannou, the fight was tougher than expected 'Francis Ngannou deserves credit'.

But what exactly are people cornered about here? I am honestly unsure what damage people believe the weekend's fight has done to boxing? Francis Ngannou is ultimately a prize fighter. And he came back, that man came full circle back into boxing 'To Challenge Tyson Fury, the WBC World Heavyweight Champion'.

Note: Ngannou has now stepped onto different battle field, and he cannot tap-out on this battle field 'That is all which has happened. And it has most likely happened many times before throughout history'.

Who is Ngannou going to fight next? And will he come through that opponent? This is just prize fighting, and the pinnacle of how two men duel etc.

[Toffee]

The sport is OK, more or less.

It's the current heavyweight boss - the man on top, as you call him - who's become scarcely respectable of late.

Agree on Fury, but the situation on Saturday shouldn't have existed and that's down to the WBC. They are a boxing organisation and are actually supposed to represent the interests of boxing.

The reigning WBC champ should never have been allowed to fight a debutant. I mean, that's actually in their rules. And they didn't only allow it, they encouraged it and made a special belt!

[TMLT87]

Boxing is still the litmus test of how two men duel 'Boxing came from Mixed Martial Arts, prize fighting progressed into boxing' This is something you are overlooking, mankind for-whatever reason, went from no holds barred fighting into boxing.

Boxing rose up as the litmus test, the pinnacle of how two men have duel 'This is a historical fact'.

Was the combat event which happened on the weekend, a boxing event or mixed martial arts event? It was a boxing event.

Was Conor Mcgregor vs Floyd Mayweather Junior, a boxing event or mixed martial arts event? It was a boxing event.

Whenever those other combat athletes rise to the top of their sports, the questions is always asked 'Can they compete in boxing, it is never the other way around. Whether you like to deny it or not, it is boxers who are being challenged. They are the targets, they have been the standard throughout history'.

And I understand your argument, and reasoning? Because it some ways you would think boxing would not be the litmus test 'Because those other combat athletes, they have all these different area's in which they fight in'.

Rally Drivers, drive in the snow, the rain, through storms, their cars fly through the air over hills and craters 'But formula one is still regarded as the pinnacle of motor sport'.

Marathon Runners, run over 26 miles 'At a pace and intensity which is brutal. It is physiologically barbaric, there are ultra marathon runners compete understand life threatening conditions on many levels. There are Decathletes which perform at a very high level, over all track and field disciplines. But still the 100m event is regarded as the pinnacle of raw athleticism, they are the Heavyweights of Track and Field athletics' Other athletes from outside the sport, will at some point ask themselves the question? Can I compete with those athletes.

Once again combat sports seems to have gone full circle, and all these mixed martial arts fighters want to progress into boxing.

My argument is not about who would win in a street fight 'A sword fight was not a street fight, Cowboys did not have street fights. A discipline was created which men agreed upon, to be the litmus test of how they should duel'.

That is what boxing is 'Boxers can continue to just get on within their sport, and not really be concerned with other combat sports. Because they are the fighters being challenge, you cannot deny this mate'.

The weekend's events is not a negative on the sport of boxing, because when you really think about it? Two men wanted to test apart of their characters in a competitive discipline'.

Boxing puts direct pressure on a certain point of a man's being 'This is why certain sports, are fundamental always important. Sports like Track and field Athletics, Swimming and Cycling. Because they are putting a concentrated pressure and test on a certain part of the athlete'.

Boxing puts a concentrated pressure on a man 'You are going stand up, and you are going to fight. You are not going to go to the ground, you are not going to kick. And whatever you do? Do you tap-out'.

On some level, that type of competition has a very in-depth profound primordial meaning 'It is just the way it is mate, from my understanding'.

You still are not seeming to get it are you? Boxing is not entirely separate from Mixed Martial Arts 'Boxing came from Mixed Martial Arts'. All combat sports all exist in the same sphere of competition on different levels';.

And many variations of combat sports have been created, people will try and get away from boxing 'But it is come full circle, and whenever combat Athletes rise to the top of their sport they will ask themselves the question? Can I challenge the best boxers in the world, it has never been the other way around'.

So Tyson Fury fought Francis Ngannou, the fight was tougher than expected 'Francis Ngannou deserves credit'.

But what exactly are people cornered about here? I am honestly unsure what damage people believe the weekend's fight has done to boxing? Francis Ngannou is ultimately a prize fighter. And he came back, that man came full circle back into boxing 'To Challenge Tyson Fury, the WBC World Heavyweight Champion'.

Note: Ngannou has now stepped onto different battle field, and he cannot tap-out on this battle field 'That is all which has happened. And it has most likely happened many times before throughout history'.

Who is Ngannou going to fight next? And will he come through that opponent? This is just prize fighting, and the pinnacle of how two men duel etc.

Boxing did not evolve from mixed martial arts. Even the first few years of the UFC are not mixed martial arts events, and were not called mixed martial arts at the time They were style vs style tournaments designed to find out what the best martial art was under an environment with minimal rules. Mixed martial arts is what evolved from the results and what was learned from those early tournaments.

Again, MMA fighters going to boxing is purely a money thing, nothing else. The reason Floyd/Conor and Fury/Ngannou were boxing matches is no MMA promotion is going to be offering Floyd or Fury enough money to risk their public image by taking that kind of fight. Boxers and boxing promoters are already extremely risk averse when taking fights in their own sport and want to keep the 0 by any means possible. An obvious example of this is Claressa Shields, supposed GWOAT, taking MMA fights. Why? because when it comes to the womens version of the sport, MMA actually pays better. Also there have actually been plenty of boxers going into MMA, just not the massive names getting paid tens of millions. Again, its all about the money. Not boxing being seen as some prestigious ultimate litmus test.

Also, forgot to address this on your previous post, RE: the "MMA doesnt have world champions" thing. In practice, what does that even mean really? what exactly makes Fury a "world champion" any more than Ngannou?

[Tatabanya]

Agree on Fury, but the situation on Saturday shouldn't have existed and that's down to the WBC. They are a boxing organisation and are actually supposed to represent the interests of boxing.

The reigning WBC champ should never have been allowed to fight a debutant. I mean, that's actually in their rules. And they didn't only allow it, they encouraged it and made a special belt!

That's right. And now Sulaiman is going to place Ngannou in their Top 10...

[PRINCEKOOL]

Boxing did not evolve from mixed martial arts. Even the first few years of the UFC are not mixed martial arts events, and were not called mixed martial arts at the time They were style vs style tournaments designed to find out what the best martial art was under an environment with minimal rules. Mixed martial arts is what evolved from the results and what was learned from those early tournaments.

Again, MMA fighters going to boxing is purely a money thing, nothing else. The reason Floyd/Conor and Fury/Ngannou were boxing matches is no MMA promotion is going to be offering Floyd or Fury enough money to risk their public image by taking that kind of fight. Boxers and boxing promoters are already extremely risk averse when taking fights in their own sport and want to keep the 0 by any means possible. An obvious example of this is Claressa Shields, supposed GWOAT, taking MMA fights. Why? because when it comes to the womens version of the sport, MMA actually pays better. Also there have actually been plenty of boxers going into MMA, just not the massive names getting paid tens of millions. Again, its all about the money. Not boxing being seen as some prestigious ultimate litmus test.

Also, forgot to address this on your previous post, RE: the "MMA doesnt have world champions" thing. In practice, what does that even mean really? what exactly makes Fury a "world champion" any more than Ngannou?

When I talk about history, I am not talking about the 1990's mate 'I am talking about 100's of years ago in the past. I am talking about how boxing came from no holds barred fighting. Boxing was a progression from no holds barred fighting, and for whatever reason? Mankind decided that boxing was going to be the way, that two men at the pinnacle of combat competition have a duel' It has been that way ever since, and this is still the situation now.

There are only a few 100 combat Athletes in a mixed martial arts organisation 'That is it'. When they rise to the top of that organisation, they cannot be classed as World Champions, quite simply? The participation levels are too low, and really it is not a open class combat sport.

There is not domestic, or European levels 'In terms of participation levels, boxing is just a by far more vast sport'.

Ngannou was a Champion, of a organisation were he was competing against how many other fighters in his division? Not many mate 'Tell me how many athletes in total are in his former organisation, there are no World Champions in that sport'.

Boxing has actual world Champions, just like other individual sports such as Swimming, Cycling, Track and Field Athletics 'Because all the athletes from all different levels, from all over the world can compete against one another. The number is so high, it really cannot even be calculated'.

The British Middle Weight boxing Champion, has to statistically compete against more professional fighters domestically in his own country than Conor Mcgregor did win his claimed to be World titles.

Francis Ngannou is a Champion, there is no doubt about that 'But he is not a World Champion'.

I have stated all that needs to be said in this thread, from my perspective 'I have just explained to you the situation of boxing. It is still the pinnacle of how two men decide to duel, that is just the way it has always been throughout history. Boxers are the combat athletes being challenged, they are the target and they are the standard. It is never the other way around'.

Many boxers today most likely got up in the morning, to do some roadwork not really being that concerned about mixed martial fighters 'Because the game moves on mate, the sport of prized fighting moves on'.

Note: Francis Ngannou has stepped onto a new battle field, one which he cannot tap-out on 'Who is he going to fight next? And is he going to win? This is just prize fighting' etc.