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    Do you have sympathy for people who commit suicide or is it a selfish act?

    Im conflicted, I do have sympathy for people who feel so empty and defeated that can't take life anymore but at the same time we all going through shyt and we wake up everyday and deal with it the best we can if not for ourselves for the people around us. The same people who would have to pick up the pieces after we kill ourselves. But what about the people who don't have family, Don't have anyone that would care if they were gone?

    What's your thoughts?

    #2
    I know three people who have done it.

    I feel sympathy. They were good people. Almost too good. The world kind of crushed them because they weren’t hardcore enough.

    I also feel a bit of guilt in two of those cases.

    One was old friend who reached out to me while he was drunk af during the day just knocking on my door. Had to turn him away and he was dead a week later. Who knows what he would have told me and what I could have stopped.

    In the other instance I happened upon a drunk guy passed out in the ditch at a temperature where you’re dead within 3 hours. I picked him up and brought him home to thaw out. What I didn’t know was that this guy was going to harass and taunt and humiliate his gay son until the son hung himself a year later. I saved a horrible person and maybe got a good guy killed because of it.

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      #3
      Terminal illness/pain:

      I think most people understand.

      Mental:

      Probably less emphasized, probably more common.

      I'm generalizing here.

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        #4
        Two of my family over dosed on drugs

        if I knew they were in deep pain.

        chit…

        good people

        bad people live long lives

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          #5
          Originally posted by KillaMane26 View Post
          Im conflicted, I do have sympathy for people who feel so empty and defeated that can't take life anymore but at the same time we all going through shyt and we wake up everyday and deal with it the best we can if not for ourselves for the people around us. The same people who would have to pick up the pieces after we kill ourselves. But what about the people who don't have family, Don't have anyone that would care if they were gone?

          What's your thoughts?
          Yes I have sympathy. They are obviously in a really bad place, I have known a couple of people who have killed themselves and I know of one right now who hints about it all the time even on his face book page.

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            #6
            Circumstantial isn't it? And the two things ain't mutually exclusive. Life's funny like that. Yes... in most cases I'd have huge sympathy for those who choose to take their own lives. If I should become permanently debilitated or start to lose myself through alzheimers or something similar I fully intend to end it on my own terms. Even know what ****tail I'll take.

            My best freind from childhood took his own life a 4 years ago after a lifetime of mental illness and hospital visits... took ill when he was 17 - schizophrenia - and whilst it was fairly well managed with meds his life never really got off the ground as result. Never formed any real new friendships after that, never had along term girl friend even though he'd been popular as **** with the girls in school, athletic, sporty. Then at 42 years old no hope and no future, basically unemployable. Nicest guy you could meet and I'm sad he's gone but honestly don't blame him at all. Life's tough and it breaks people - whether incrementally (like Danny) or through piling on too much all at once - very often good, kind, compassionate people. Ain't no crime to not be able to endure life's knocks. More a tragedy than anything.

            At the same time it is undoubtedly also selfish for people who have responsibilities - mainly when they got kids I guess. If you took that shit on you kinda got a duty to see it though - at least to my mind. Doesn't make it any less tragic, but it does make it selfish to take your life under those kinds of circumstances.

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              #7
              I knew a guy who worked the phones at a suicide hotline and he said more than 90% of the people who called had no social network. No friends, no family, etc. People commit suicide for all sorts of reasons. Mental illness, addiction, finances, guilt/shame over something, failed relationships. I do feel bad for them, especially for mental and addiction issues.
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                #8
                Mostly sympathy

                I really struggle to put myself in the headspace where you’re about to do it and actually go through with it because it seems like the best option.

                I think it must be almost impossible for most of us
                to comprehend how bad things must be to feel it’s the only option and actually doing it


                So for that reason, I don’t really judge it too much. I understand why people say it’s selfish and a cowards way out but I can’t say that because I’ve never been to that point.

                And I guess it also comes down to each individual case. There’s some people out there that do it because they have nobody around them, no support and nobody in their life really, that’s a sad situation.

                There’s people out there that do it despite having a really good support network of people around them and they just seem to refuse to help or try to get the support that’s available to them, and in that instance, I could see why someone might consider it selfish.
                Last edited by deathofaclown; 02-08-2022, 08:17 AM.

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                  #9
                  I feel sympathy. It's impossible for an average person to know or feel what a suicidal person is going through. Like many people, I've had some terrible bouts with depression on/off from my teens to my mid 20s, but I never thought about suicide ever being an option.

                  I don't think it's as simple as "we all deal with the BS life throws at us, why can't they?" Everyone deals with problems differently, and everyone has a threshold for how much pain and stress they can handle. How many times have you seen siblings turn out completely different people, despite having the exact same upbringing?

                  I lost a good friend over 10 years ago, she was only 22 at the time when she took her life. Seeing the pain her family and friends went through, especially her parents and her brother who's my best friend really took its toll on all of us.

                  Glad to say that they all pulled through, but it took years for them find their peace.

                  It seems like mental health is at an all-time low right now. Be respectful to people, even online. You have no idea what the other person on the other side of the screen is going through.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Willy Wanker View Post
                    I feel sympathy. It's impossible for an average person to know or feel what a suicidal person is going through. Like many people, I've had some terrible bouts with depression on/off from my teens to my mid 20s, but I never thought about suicide ever being an option.

                    I don't think it's as simple as "we all deal with the BS life throws at us, why can't they?" Everyone deals with problems differently, and everyone has a threshold for how much pain and stress they can handle. How many times have you seen siblings turn out completely different people, despite having the exact same upbringing?

                    I lost a good friend over 10 years ago, she was only 22 at the time when she took her life. Seeing the pain her family and friends went through, especially her parents and her brother who's my best friend really took its toll on all of us.

                    Glad to say that they all pulled through, but it took years for them find their peace.

                    It seems like mental health is at an all-time low right now. Be respectful to people, even online. You have no idea what the other person on the other side of the screen is going through.
                    Yeah.... I have alot of close people that got close to it .. sister, cuzins, friends, Etc.

                    They all had this emptyness they couldn't fill, the good thing tho is it's like they get this big morale boost when they come out of it.
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