Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[-CANE-]

I agree. That uppercut did same damage and would have been even more lethal followed by that monster right hand. Just look at the Tucker fight. Tyson ate a few uppercuts in that one, and Tucker always seemed to find him with that right hand as he came in.

I think the sound strategy for Frank against Tyson should have been establish the jab first and foremost. Once Tyson got comfy he would start coming in, jab or not, and thats when Bruno would use the right most effectively. As the fight wore on he could begin mixing in those uppercuts followed by more rights, because the later it gets in a fight the easier Tyson is to tag.

Bruno had the power to have made a huge dent in anyone. Had he been a little more polished it could have been alot different. Even with his chiseled physique he could have been alot better with an improved technique.

You're not wrong. I was just thinking I mentioned the wasted talents like Witherspoon,Bowe,Tubbs,Bruno etc etc. But what about the greats how many of these could have actually been better than they were and how could they have been better, ability wise or maybe mentally as in Tyson's case. Who actually achieved pretty much everything they could of or even more than they should of and should you consider any of that when talking about greatness. I mean look at Holyfield I think he is possibly maybe the only one I can think of instantly that achieved more than maybe he ever should of, where as Tyson for me is the opposite he never really achieved all I think he could of.

[Hawkins]

You're not wrong. I was just thinking I mentioned the wasted talents like Witherspoon,Bowe,Tubbs,Bruno etc etc. But what about the greats how many of these could have actually been better than they were and how could they have been better, ability wise or maybe mentally as in Tyson's case. Who actually achieved pretty much everything they could of or even more than they should of and should you consider any of that when talking about greatness. I mean look at Holyfield I think he is possibly maybe the only one I can think of instantly that achieved more than maybe he ever should of, where as Tyson for me is the opposite he never really achieved all I think he could of.

Witherspoon, as we talked about before, is he poster child of the '80's what could have been'. He was great to watch when he was on. I actually think, given 'Spoon's ability he could have beaten a prime Tyson. I think he was that good.

Still I think had Bowe taken things more seriously, we would have been talking about him in a Top 10 of all Time sense. He had a rare combination of attributes...size,speed and boxing ability. I would have loved to see the Bowe of Holyfield 1 fight Manny Steward's version of Lennox.

[-CANE-]

Witherspoon, as we talked about before, is he poster child of the '80's what could have been'. He was great to watch when he was on. I actually think, given 'Spoon's ability he could have beaten a prime Tyson. I think he was that good.

Still I think had Bowe taken things more seriously, we would have been talking about him in a Top 10 of all Time sense. He had a rare combination of attributes...size,speed and boxing ability. I would have loved to see the Bowe of Holyfield 1 fight Manny Steward's version of Lennox.

Out of interest how do you see a Bowe vs Lewis fight play out.

1st of all the fight when it should have happened.
2nd like you said the Bowe that beat Holyfield vs Steward's version of Lewis.

[Hawkins]

Out of interest how do you see a Bowe vs Lewis fight play out.

1st of all the fight when it should have happened.
2nd like you said the Bowe that beat Holyfield vs Steward's version of Lewis.

I think, at the time it was supposed to have happened Bowe would probably have taken it. Lennox wasn't the polished heavyweight we saw in later years. Yes he had the power, but I think Bowe of that time period (had he been in shape) would have beaten him. With his combination of speed and superior technique(at the time) I'd take Bowe by UD. However, Lennox could turn the fight around with one right hand at any time. But I think Bowe would stick to his game..probably utilizing lots of movement..and take it.

The 2nd. I think it had the potential to either be a stinker or be a classic. It could have been a highly technical battle, a chessmatch if you will, or it could have been a war.

I think the 2nd incarnation of Lennox was slightly better than Bowe and would have been the favorite. The first incarnation of Lennox was more easily coaxed into brawls and against someone like Bowe that could have been bad considering Lennox's awkward ways at that time.

However I think Lennox would utilize his better jab (although Big Daddy had a good one too) and eventually start dropping in right hands to make Big Daddy go backward and turn into a defense first fighter. However, with Bowe we know is liable to turn things into a war if he's in trouble. But the Lennox of Manny's is still able to keep his technical abilities in the face of something like that.

I would take Lennox by UD, possibly even by late stoppage.

[-CANE-]

I think, at the time it was supposed to have happened Bowe would probably have taken it. Lennox wasn't the polished heavyweight we saw in later years. Yes he had the power, but I think Bowe of that time period (had he been in shape) would have beaten him. With his combination of speed and superior technique(at the time) I'd take Bowe by UD. However, Lennox could turn the fight around with one right hand at any time. But I think Bowe would stick to his game..probably utilizing lots of movement..and take it.

The 2nd. I think it had the potential to either be a stinker or be a classic. It could have been a highly technical battle, a chessmatch if you will, or it could have been a war.

I think the 2nd incarnation of Lennox was slightly better than Bowe and would have been the favorite. The first incarnation of Lennox was more easily coaxed into brawls and against someone like Bowe that could have been bad considering Lennox's awkward ways at that time.

However I think Lennox would utilize his better jab (although Big Daddy had a good one too) and eventually start dropping in right hands to make Big Daddy go backward and turn into a defense first fighter. However, with Bowe we know is liable to turn things into a war if he's in trouble. But the Lennox of Manny's is still able to keep his technical abilities in the face of something like that.

I would take Lennox by UD, possibly even by late stoppage.

I see the 1st matchup not going the distance and although Lewis was not as good technically later he was faster and moved in and out really quickly. I see either an early stoppage before 6 rounds for Lewis or a late stoppage for Bowe.

The 2nd matchup I think wouldn't have been as exciting and would have been more of a chess match like you suggested. I see this one favouring Lewis with a stoppage after 8-9 rounds.

[StarshipTrooper]

I like Lennox on both fronts: The was a reason Bowe didn't want to fight him. In his his first incarnation I could see Lewis winning on points or getting a late stoppage as Bowe gasses out. In his second form, after Manny Steward taught him how to fight, I see him stopping Bowe in the middle rounds.

Poet

[-CANE-]

I like Lennox on both fronts: The was a reason Bowe didn't want to fight him. In his his first incarnation I could see Lewis winning on points or getting a late stoppage as Bowe gasses out. In his second form, after Manny Steward taught him how to fight, I see him stopping Bowe in the middle rounds.

Poet

That was my initial thought but wanted to try and be fair and not seem like a Lewis nuthugger. But I agree that Bowe just didn't want anything to do with him. Maybe he was scared because he felt his power in the amatuers or maybe he was scared that he wouldn't be able to eat his usual amount of food and would have to train really hard for a fight against Lewis.

[Dynamite76]

How come Larry didn't back it up against Pinklon Thomas and Greg Page, two fighters he obviously ducked?

[Hawkins]

I like Lennox on both fronts: The was a reason Bowe didn't want to fight him. In his his first incarnation I could see Lewis winning on points or getting a late stoppage as Bowe gasses out. In his second form, after Manny Steward taught him how to fight, I see him stopping Bowe in the middle rounds.

Poet

That was my initial thought but wanted to try and be fair and not seem like a Lewis nuthugger. But I agree that Bowe just didn't want anything to do with him. Maybe he was scared because he felt his power in the amatuers or maybe he was scared that he wouldn't be able to eat his usual amount of food and would have to train really hard for a fight against Lewis.

For the record I agree what you guys are saying. I tried not to factor in Bowe's fear/reluctance to face Lewis so it would be a more thorough analysis. In that case, I think either Bowe runs/clinches his way to a UD loss or gets KO'd rather brutally in the middle rounds.

I truly wonder why he dropped the WBC instead of facing Len? Was it fear? Was it the fact that they had their eyes on a lucrative rematch with Holyfield? I've never heard anything either way.

Personally I always thought he just saw Lennox as a fight with little reward and much risk. Plus I think in the back of his mind Bowe was scared of him.

[Burning Desire]

How come Larry didn't back it up against Pinklon Thomas and Greg Page, two fighters he obviously ducked?

Greg Page would of got his shot but back to back losses to Witherspoon and David Bey he lost his shot simple as.

As for Thomas not quite sure why they one didn't happen.