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    Can this version of AJ beat Daniel Dubois?

    I understand 9 years ago is a very long time, and he comes in at 240lb in his earlier years compared to now with his weight. These days he fights around 254lb+

    Do you think this version of AJ could've beaten DDD on the night, or DDD will always have his number in terms of style-wise matchup?

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    #2
    Of course he can, he has proven he can hurt Dubois and Dubois has been stopped twice already.

    But the far more likely result is that Dubois hurts him first, and hurts him worse. Just like the first fight.
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      #3
      Originally posted by famicommander View Post
      Of course he can, he has proven he can hurt Dubois and Dubois has been stopped twice already.

      But the far more likely result is that Dubois hurts him first, and hurts him worse. Just like the first fight.
      Honestly, that right hand from AJ in the 5th round didn't do much damage to Dubois. It did catch him off guard, but hurt? I don't think so
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        #4
        Don't need to debate whether 9 years ago version of josh beats ddd. It's whether the version we see in rematch can. What version of josh turns up? If it's the one who leads with uppercuts, with chin in air, maybe not

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          Originally posted by famicommander View Post
          Of course he can, he has proven he can hurt Dubois and Dubois has been stopped twice already.

          But the far more likely result is that Dubois hurts him first, and hurts him worse. Just like the first fight.
          This right here.

          AJ's a more skilled fighter than Dubois, but Dubois would always be a problem for AJ because of AJ's flawed chin.
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            #6
            Originally posted by The D3vil View Post

            This right here.

            AJ's a more skilled fighter than Dubois, but Dubois would always be a problem for AJ because of AJ's flawed chin.
            Why didn't people see it like this before the fight?
            All I read from the wannabes experts in this site was" flip hit ddd all night, and Josh hits harder than flip. Goodnight ddd"

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              #7
              Anthony Joshua should of beaten Daniel Dubois 'Now in this current timeline, and? I have been very vocal on, the potentiality of Joshua not taking this immediate rematch as being a tactical mistake'.

              Daniel Dubois is there for the taking, surprisingly to some? That is what his performance vs Anthony Joshua has shown me 'Daniel Dubois to his credit took his opportunity vs Anthony Joshua, and exploited the uncharacteristic technical fight which Joshua fought. There is a extremely high likely-hood that if a rematch is made? Anthony Joshua is not going to make the same technical mistakes, and unforced errors that he made in the first fight'.

              Because what lead and gave Daniel Dubois great momentum in the first fight 'Was Anthony Joshua uncharacteristically abandoning his usually solid boxing fundamentals. It was those technical mistakes which presented the opportunity for Dubois to whack him in the first round, and then eventually knocked him out in the 5th round'.

              After many years of being criticised for being overly tentative and too analytical in his approach to fighting on fight night 'Anthony Joshua for whatever reason, decided to abandon his usually temperament. But it is this temperament combined with his analytical approach to boxing, which at times makes him a very difficult Heavyweight to fight'.

              Historically if Joshua does not want to have a brawl, then 95% of the Heavyweights in the sport 'Have not shown that they have the ability, to force him into that style fight. That is pretty much the best description of Anthony Joshua's career since, avenging his loss to Andy Ruiz Junior II'.

              On Anthony Joshua's worst night vs Daniel Dubois, STILL all the signs were on display 'Daniel Dubois may be a aggressive and dangerous fighter in the opening rounds of a fight. But I honestly believe that he is front runner, in all of his top level fights he has shown this to be the case'.

              'He was done against Joe Joyce by the mid rounds, regardless of the injury, Joyce was turning the fight around the more the fight progressed. And he was done against Oleksandr Uysk by the mid rounds. If his opponent's survive his aggression a power, in the first half of the fight. And they are also landing punches on Dubois, every-time he has been in that situation at top level he has been beaten. Jarrell Miller skill for skill is not a top level fighter, so that win really does prove his ability in this area of boxing at World or Elite level'.

              The signs where there on display against Anthony Joshua 'Joshua on is worst night, round 2, round 3, round 4, round 5? Anthony Joshua was finding his way back into the fight. From a share physiological perspective, he was actually getting stronger round by round. Anthony Joshua uncharacteristically against Daniel Dubois, seemed to suddenly abandon his usual measured and very analytic approach to fighting. Joshua is measured before he launches his attacks'

              Anthony Joshua against Daniel Dubois was not measured or very analytical, and that is why skill for skill 'He fought one of his worst ever professional boxing fights'. Joshua made unforced errors, and his usual solid boxing fundamentals were not on point'.​

              Of this current era of Heavyweight fighters, what makes both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Fighters you should not dismiss even after a loss. Is that they have shown the ability to avenge losses, and ​display tactical variation in their game in order to achieve such a feat at top level'.

              No other Heavyweight fighters in the sport today, competing at top level 'Can make such a claim, or have achieved such a boxing feats. Daniel Dubois has never shown any signs of wanting to avenge his loss to Joe Joyce, and regardless of what people say about his performance vs Oleksandr Uysk. Dubois was done by the mid-rounds in that fight, and knocked out by a Jab. There is no demand for that rematch, and it really makes zero sense for Oleksandr Uysk'.

              I still believe that Anthony Joshua can beat Daniel Dubois 'And I would not be surprised if and when the fight does occur. It would be a easier win, than many people would expect'.

              And this is no disrespect to Daniel Dubois and his team. Dubois is clearly a solid fighter, his story and rise of becoming the IBF World Heavyweight Champion is inspiring 'But skill for skill Daniel Dubois is not a complete fighter, to the level of Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury'

              Note: Certain folk in the boxing community, seem to only watch fights and observe the action on the surface level. Boxing is a very technical sport, with a lot of detail and data to analyse from the action produced on fight night. Ultimately a win, or a loss is very rarely just a straight forward result.

              And I believe Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois 'Was not just a straight forward result. There were a multitude of statistical anomalies, that happened for the first TIME EVER in Joshua's career since he became a World Heavyweight Champion'.

              Anthony Joshua's performance vs Daniel Dubois 'Technically was a worst performance than his fight vs Andy Ruiz Junior I. In retrospect Joshua's loss vs Ruiz Junior I, was not as catastrophic as people claimed. Joshua hurt and decked Ruiz Junior, and even after Joshua was decked himself? Anthony Joshua in the middle rounds fought his way back into that fight, before eventually being stopped on his feet in his own corner with a smile on his face. In reality Ruiz Junior vs Joshua I, was not a one sided fight or beat down. That type of loss, does not even rate in the top 100 worst loses in the past 30 years of boxing'.

              But in comparison Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois 'Was a catastrophic loss. And I personally rate Joshua's performance as his worst ever fight, from a technical perspective in his entire professional career. The fight concluded with Joshua wading forward into a power punch of Dubois's with non existent defense, while throwing lead uppercut'.

              Anthony Joshua is the 2012 Olympic Champion, he fought 24 competitive rounds vs Oleksandr Uysk. 'Oleksandr Uysk was able to land 170 punches against both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'But the difference was? Uysk vs Joshua was having to produce a greater effort in order to land those punches. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 407 punches vs Tyson Fury, and landed a total of 170 punches. Were as against Anthony Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 712 punches, and landed a total of 170 punches'.

              Those statistics were taken from Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua II 'Joshua actually out worked Uysk during their first fight, Anthony Joshua threw a total of 641 punches and landed a total of 123 punches. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 529 punches, and landed a total of 148 punches'.

              This is all evidence that Anthony Joshua is a by far better fighter skill for skill, technically and defensively than the media and many of his critics would like to admit 'Nobody wants to say it? Nobody in the boxing community wants to clearly straight forward, just admit that Anthony Joshua fought Daniel Dubois like a novice amateur fighter. And ultimately that is why Daniel Dubois won the fight'.

              To conclude: Don Charles is a great boxing coach, I have rated him for sometime as one of the best boxing coaches in the UK 'Don Charles knows what I am saying is right. There is no way a boxing coach, with the experience and level of ability that Charles has. Can he sit there, watch Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois and claim that Joshua fought a great technical fight. Anthony Joshua displayed a great level of courage and resolve to survive and fight his way back into the fight after the first round. But a pure boxing perspective Joshua fought like a Novice Amateur fighter'.

              I will conclude this post on this note, Daniel Dubois and his team should not get too high on his win over Anthony Joshua 'And I believe Joshua still has the ability to win a rematch' etc.





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                #8
                Originally posted by hugh grant View Post

                Why didn't people see it like this before the fight?
                All I read from the wannabes experts in this site was" flip hit ddd all night, and Josh hits harder than flip. Goodnight ddd"
                Not me. I predicted a Dubois win. Joshua fights too hesitant and Big Doobie can whack . That was my main reason for picking Double D. That scared , hesitant style of Joshuas always leads to a guy getting hit because it's an unnatural way to fight. He's going to bite on and overreact to every feint and he's going to be too tight and jumpy. That leads to getting cracked. I don't think that he will ever rematch Big Doobie because the result will be the same.
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                  #9
                  I was shocked by how Dubois was the sharper and more polished of the two in their first matchup

                  If I were AJ I would slim down and hone in on Dubois’ tendency to eat right hands

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by pnut901 View Post

                    Not me. I predicted a Dubois win. Joshua fights too hesitant and Big Doobie can whack . That was my main reason for picking Double D. That scared , hesitant style of Joshuas always leads to a guy getting hit because it's an unnatural way to fight. He's going to bite on and overreact to every feint and he's going to be too tight and jumpy. That leads to getting cracked. I don't think that he will ever rematch Big Doobie because the result will be the same.
                    I had it as a pickem really. I said if Josh wins itd be just about his best win. And I also noted ddd wins recently was better than anything Josh did in same time period
                    Last edited by hugh grant; 11-22-2024, 05:47 PM.
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