Who looks better coming off the draw? GGG or Canelo

[mathed]

Golovkin didn't use bodywork, there was a reason why. Throw low and you have a higher chance to get countered. If there's a rematch, golovkins going out. Spence is a 147 lb fighter and is irrelevant to the conversation.

Lol, going out with what bro? They gonna let the diva use a bat next time, brass knuckles, a gun?

He hit GGG with his best shot and "the old man" didn't even blink. A rematch will only be worse for the diva. He brought everything he had and lost 8-4. Your saying that GGG didn't even really go to the body. What happens in a rematch when he does go to the body knowing he should not worry about anything coming back at him?

There is literally no way the diva can win....GGG will only throw more combinations while the diva is trapped along the ropes.

[DrHouse579]

1.) A 35 year old GGG did what he promised, he brought a big show and fought like a Mexican, a primed Canelo fought like a poor man's Mayweather.

2.) GGG got a draw vs the cashcow of the sport in Las Vegas (means its a clear win)

3.) The huge majority of media outlets/journalists scored it for Golovkin.

4.) The huge majority of the fans worldwide said Golovkin won.

5.) Canelo was booed by his own fans in the arena.

Who do you think came out better?

You decide.

I still give props to Canelo, in some rounds he did some good work and he has a great chin.

Nail on the effing head! One of the few people who understood the point of my post.. everyone on here arguing how close and competitive the fight was, I'm just trying to say GGG had ALL the politics against him and still got away with a draw... that means something..

[FinitoxDinamita]

Looks better for Canelo because regardless he exceeded expectations in my eyes.

[Metho_4u]

Golovkin wasn't attacking the body even when he had the opportunity. He was headhunting with Jacobs too

I'm not talking about Spence, I'm talking about any fighter with similar body work abilities. A legit middleweight with Spence's style would destroy Canelo. He was lucky that Golovkin isn't so versatile

What would be irrelevant is speculating on what happens in a rematch, because I've heard all that stuff about Canelo giving Golovkin a boxing lesson before the first fight and I was ****** enough to believe that, now you basically say let's give the guy one more chance to beat Golovkin while that mother****er aging, and if he won't, we'll give him another shot. But right here and right now Canelo with his ****ty stamina looked worse than the older man. We're talking about what already happened, not about what could possibly happen in the future

Canelo did give him a boxing lesson, have you not watched his fights before to know about stamina issues? If so, you should've taken that into account, so that's your fault.

A rematch assumes Canelo learns from his mistakes, such as he displayed a lot of what he learned in his loss to Floyd. Statistically the boxer almost always beats the puncher/stalker/brawler, in rematches with much less issue. Canelo is younger, doesn't have 400 or so total fights in his career and is able to learn new information, once you are 35 years old, it is VERY hard to break habits and learn new things/employ new tactics.

I'm not pulling a Hatton and gonna tell you to bet the house on the kid, but I'm telling you to look back at previous fights. Floyd Castillo, Floyd Maidana, Leonard Duran, Ward Kovalev, Manny marquez, etc, etc. The boxer is just better at adaption in most cases.

[Metho_4u]

Lol, going out with what bro? They gonna let the diva use a bat next time, brass knuckles, a gun?

He hit GGG with his best shot and "the old man" didn't even blink. A rematch will only be worse for the diva. He brought everything he had and lost 8-4. Your saying that GGG didn't even really go to the body. What happens in a rematch when he does go to the body knowing he should not worry about anything coming back at him?

There is literally no way the diva can win....GGG will only throw more combinations while the diva is trapped along the ropes.

Think so? You go ahead and bet on the rematch and post your bet. We all know where you stand and you don't like Canelo and you do like golovkin...fine, but now you're using your heart and not your head.

[Real King Kong]

It's a perfect set up for a rematch. If canelo got the nod...it would look like a blatant robbery, and this way he saves some face by not losing. For ggg he keeps his belts, and is generally seen as the consensus winner. Both guys have the experience of being in the ring with eachother and there are adjustments that could be made on either side for the rematch. As far as the rematch, you have to favor the younger guy...especially if it drags out. For a guy ggg's age, every training camp and fight is a crap shoot as far as injuries and what kind of condition he'll be in. Assuming canelo works on his conditioning, the only way ggg wins a rematch is by KO imo.

[JoeKidd]

Was a good fight but neither guy showed anything special. GGG has definitely aged. He was fighting cautious. Canelo showed spurts of brilliance but for a young guy, very brief spurts. He simply can't keep it up. Probably muscle-bound. Personally, I was disappointed with the quality of the fight and lack of action. Moments of engagement but not sustained engagement. And GGG had to search out the guy. Somebody will eventually do a video of Canelo doing the ballerina...and GGG doing the stalking.

[g27region]

Canelo did give him a boxing lesson

Oh really? He was letting Golovkin dictate the pace and distance, they're both were eating leather that night, it's not what boxing lesson looks like to me. Don't make it sound like the kid is Rigondeaux or something

Rigo/Donaire is what boxing lesson looks like
Mayweather/Canelo is what boxing lesson looks like
Loma/Walters
Crawford/Postol and etc.

Canelo/Golovkin? Not at all.
Canelo looked impressive in spurts and that's really it.
But Golovkin was controlling the fight, when you let your opponent dictate pace and distance you better be sure you ain't giving boxing lesson to anybody. Especially if the fight is close

have you not watched his fights before to know about stamina issues? If so, you should've taken that into account, so that's your fault.

I know about his stamina issues, my point is it's hard to stay at the top level if you have stamina of UFC fighter. You're praising the kid, but as soon as he stepped in the ring against "old brawler" and "bum beater", he went life and death and lost according to majority of the boxing world. And that's a fact. Think about it, if one-dimensional brawler (like some people say) made Canelo look like that, imagine what elite and more versatile fighter would do to him?

So there's two options here - Canelo is not that good or Golovkin is not that bad. I prefer the first one

Statistically the boxer almost always beats the puncher/stalker/brawler, in rematches with much less issue. Canelo is younger, doesn't have 400 or so total fights in his career and is able to learn new information, once you are 35 years old, it is VERY hard to break habits and learn new things/employ new tactics.

I agree

I'm not pulling a Hatton and gonna tell you to bet the house on the kid, but I'm telling you to look back at previous fights. Floyd Castillo, Floyd Maidana, Leonard Duran, Ward Kovalev, Manny marquez, etc, etc. The boxer is just better at adaption in most cases.

I agree, but this performance didn't convince me that Canelo is master technician or something. I'd bet on Saul in the rematch, but it has more to do with the fact that time is not on Golovkin's side. But then again, that's exactly what I was thinking before their first fight, and what was the result? A draw with the majority of people thinking Canelo lost

[joseph5620]

Golovkin looks better because Canelo clearly lost.

[True That]

GGG vs. Alvarez: Who really won
September 18, 2017 |

By Bradley D. Cision: Another predictable, controversial, and expected decision has been handed down in the most anticipated fight of the year last Saturday night with the Saul “Canelo Alvarez (49-1-2, 34 KOs) vs. middleweight champion Gennady “GGG” Golovkin (37-0-1, 33 KOs) being scored as a controversial 12 round draw at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Many boxing fans have been waiting for the Canelo Golovkin fight for almost two years, but many boxing fans predicted that if the fight went to the scorecards, Canelo would find a way to win.




Fortunately for GGG, the worst that happened was that Canelo was given a draw, and didn’t steal his titles away. Many people saw the fight as a clear, although close win for GGG, and a few saw it as a legitimate draw.

What most people saw is GGG controlling the pace for 90 percent of the fight, backing Alvarez up to the ropes constantly, and out-landing him in jabs by almost 50 jabs. The jab controlled the pace of the fight. GGG out-landed Canelo 218-169 and landed more punches in 10 of 12 rounds.

Alvarez also looked like he had minimal answers for GGG as he was on his bike until he fought in spurts trying to counterpunch GGG with his back to the ropes constantly, especially in the later rounds where GGG looked completely comfortable and Alvarez had no real answer for a fighter that finally wasn’t smaller, or past his prime, or has a weak chin.

In an anonymous online poll, a whopping 79% of the people polled thought GGG won the fight. Only 10% thought Canelo won, and 11% thought it was a draw.




Who did you have winning Canelo-GGG?
10%
Canelo Alvarez
(386 votes)

79%
Gennady Golovkin
(3044 votes)

11%
Draw
(410 votes)

3840 votes total were submitted in this online poll.

Out of a total of 69 boxing writers and fighters, a landslide 54 thought GGG won the fight. Only FIVE thought Canelo won, and the rest had it a draw.

Teddy Atlas ——————————–>118-110 GGG

Brian Campbell (CBS) ———————>117-111 GGG

Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) —————→ 117-111 GGG

Harold Lederman (HBO) ——————116-112 GGG

Dan Rafael (ESPN) ————————>116-112 GGG

Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ————>116-112 GGG

Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) ———–>116-112 GGG

Amir Khan ———————————>116-112 GGG

Matthew Macklin ————————–>116-112 GGG

Steve Lillis (BoxNation) ——————→ 116-112 GGG

Bob Velin (USA Today) ——————–>116-112 GGG

Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) ———–>116-112 GGG

Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ———→ 116-112 GGG

Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) —→ 116-112 GGG

Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ———→ 116-112 GGG

Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ————>116-113 GGG

Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ——————>115-112 GGG

Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ————————>115-113 GGG

Gary Locket ——————————→ 115-113 GGG

Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) —————–>115-113 GGG

Phil Murphy (ESPN) ———————–>115-113 GGG

Mike Harris (SI) —————————>115-113 GGG

Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ——>115-113 GGG

MMA Brazil ——————————>115-113 GGG

Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) ————→ 115-113 GGG

Rob Tatum (Combat Press) —————→ 115-113 GGG

Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ———>115-113 GGG

Joel Diaz ———————————>115-113 GGG

Max Kellerman————–>115:113 GGG

Dave Moretti (judge) ——>115:113 GGG

Lennox Lewis —————————>Golovkin

Austin Trout ——————————>Golovkin

Danny Jacobs ————->Golovkin

Enzo Macarenelli —————————Golovkin

James Brady (SB Nation) —————>Golovkin

Terence Crawford ————————>Golovkin

Sergio Martinez —————————>Golovkin

Liam Smith ——————————>Golovkin

Peter Quillin ——————————>Golovkin

Liam Williams —————————>Golovkin

Ohara Davies ——————————→ Golovkin

Luke Campbell —————————>Golovkin

Dave Coldwell —————————>Golovkin

Badou Jack ——————————>Golovkin

Kevin Kelly ————————→ Golovkin

Dana White ———–>Golovkin

Steve Kim ———————————–>Golovkin

Doug Fischer ——————————–>Golovkin

Ring TV Cynthia Conte, M.Rosenthal—Golovkin

Michael Montero —————————→ Golovkin

Joe Rogan (UFC) —————————→ Golovkin

Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ————Golovkin

Sergey Kovalev ————————————→ Golovkin

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr ———————————–> Golovkin

Don trella (judge) ————————>114:114 Draw

Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) —→ 114-114 Draw

Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) ———–>114-114 Draw

Associated Press ————————–>114-114 Draw

Lance Pugmire (LA Times) —————→ 114-114 Draw

Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ———————>114-114 Draw

Roy Jones Jr.———————————>114:114 Draw

Kenny Porter ——————————>114-114 Draw

Tommy Hearns —————————–>114:114 Draw

De La Hoya ——————————–>115-113 Canelo

Bernard Hopkins ————————–>115-113 Canelo

Erik Morales ——————————→ 116-112 Canelo

Julio Cesar Chavez Sr ———————————>116:112 Canelo

Adalaide Byrd (Judge) ———————————->118:110 Canelo

Unfortunately for the sport, this type of judging will continue as we have no oversight except the commissions themselves and they have already forgiven the one 118-110 scorecard from Adalaide Byrd.