Comments Thread For: Gvozdyk: I Don't See Anyone Being a Problem For Loma At 135

[richardt]

On point. No one at 135 that Bob is willing to put Loma up against, fighters he's unwilling to pin Loma against is another story. I mean he beat a guy in Linares who just got crushed in 1 rd by a B level opponent and we're supposed to believe he's top dog. Give me a break.

Obviously you are brand new to boxing and fell right off the Banana boat since you didnt know Loma has fought other fighters as well in his career, not just Linares.

[5000boxing]

Tank will reck this fool!

[Corelone]

Obviously you are brand new to boxing and fell right off the Banana boat since you didnt know Loma has fought other fighters as well in his career, not just Linares.

He fought Salido. I remember.

[Corelone]

But Salido was overweight, but Salido fought dirty. I heard all that, it didn't stop Oscar Valdez from beating Quigg. Salido was a 50+ fight veteran with 12 losses. Salido was a pro through two generations. 12-1 is not a great record and that loss is to his grandpa.

[richardt]

He fought Salido. I remember.

And so did others lose early...doesnt change the fact that they were top dogs which is what I was responding to. Loma is a top PFP fighter just like other top PFP fighters who have lost earlier in their careers.

['b']

Uhhh, he got dropped by Linares.....remember? I favour him to beat anyone at 135 but there are problems for him.

Would love to see the Mikey fight happen

[Boxing Logic]

THIS! is what pisses me off about Boxing. if Marcus Browne is the WBC mandatory, and won the Jack fight, then why is Browne-Gvozdyk only “theoretical”? it should happen next. Why would Browne even consider fighting for the worthless WBA “title”, when they just give belts away like candy, and he could fight for both the lineal and WBC titles?

Let me ask you this. What would prove more in a P4P sense, beating Dmitry Bivol, or beating Julius Indongo? Cuz Bivol only has the WBA, Indongo had two belts. Or what would prove more, beating prime Bivol, or beating 49 year old BHop? Cuz old BHop had 3 belts when Kovalev beat him, Bivol only has the WBA, but prime Bivol is a lot harder to beat.

See my point? Belts are only as meaningful as the fighter that has them. They're MEANT to signify "this guy is the best" but there are so many belts now, and so many paper champions, that most the time, they don't. That's why the only option left for fans is to only judge them by the boxer that carries them. In the case of the 175 division, every belt basically carries equal value right now because they are all carried by elite fighters. The only one maybe losing value is the IBF because of Beterbiev's age, and the WBO may follow the same path if Kovalev's performance in the Alvarez rematch turns out to be a one-time thing and he goes back to being an under-over-trained-weight-drained 4 round fighter again. But in boxing you're as good as your last performance, so for now the WBO is valuable too.

But the WBC and WBA are tied for being worth the most right now because those are the two held by truly prime age elite light heavyweights, Gvozdyk and Bivol. Marcus can't go wrong fighting either of them.

[Boxing Logic]

Cano in his best days wasn't even a B level fighter. I'd say C at this point.

Cano = big welterweight who drains to 140
Loma = featherweight who fights at 135 cuz there were too many duckers at 126 and 130

Loma-Linares = 135 lbs title fight
Linares-Canelo = 140 lbs fight where Linares only weighed in at 136

So a 140 lbs fight where Linares *****ed up the weigh-in like an amateur has no bearing on the level of difficulty a featherweight overcame to beat Linares at 135 lbs when Linares aced the weigh-in and came in in career-best shape or close to it.

Context and details are everything in boxing. It's how Floyd was able to build such a successful career simply manipulating the details that casual fans weren't even paying attention to in his favor. That is how much power details hold in boxing. Someone who goes up a weight class and then *****s up the weigh-in and comes in 4 lbs underweight, only 1 lbs away from the lower weight class and 4 lbs away from the one he's competing in, so much closer to the weight below than the weight he's supposed to be fighting in, is going to be perform much differently vs a bigger man in that situation than he would in the lower weight class, acing the weigh-in, vs a much smaller guy.

This is the real disconnect between Loma fans and Loma haters. It's not race, it's just that you guys intentionally ignore half the facts in order to paint a negative picture of him in your heads because you dislike him. And as you try to discredit the Linares win, at the same time you guys willfully ignore the GRJ and Walters wins which are impossible to discredit ("GRJ was only a prospect!" With like 20 fights to Loma's 3, so that's out. "Walters was inactive!" yeah because he turned down the Loma fight months earlier, even after Loma offered him extra money if Walters won to try to help get the fight made, but even then he wasn't even inactive an entire year, which is less than many PBC fighters took off between fights at the time and was simply the norm for many fighters during the pre-DAZN pre-ESPN era when only HBO and Showtime were invested in boxing and they weren't putting up enough money for everyone to fight 2x or 3x a year. So again that had nothing to do with Loma, and Walters wasn't even inactive that long, and the fight was so one-sided that Walters gave no indication fighting Loma after 6 months out compared to 10 would have made any difference, not to mention it was only Loma's 7th fight or something and Walters 20th+ so the slight advantages and disadvantages go both ways, but the dominant performance was all Loma's. So that's out too).

But, you guys just don't even bring those fights up anymore because you know you have no way to discredit them, but then ones like Linares that you think you can discredit now because of the Cano fight, you guys bring up. It's ridiculous. Just like so many Loma haters said he was scared of Rigo, Rigo would break his jaw, "Loma has to fight Rigo to prove himself," then he did it and outperformed even Loma fans wildest expectations, only for the haters to say it proved nothing cuz Rigo was small even though Rigo's size doesn't explain why he couldn't hit Loma once all fight especially considering he had the reach advantage.

But you guys don't bring that up anymore either... But as I said, you guys can keep trying to discredit the Linares and Rigo wins, but the fact Loma dominated the other top two featherweights, one an elite speed guy one an elite power guy, both tip top ripped athletes and undefeated boxers, cannot be taken away, especially when you consider GRJ is still the best featherweight to this day, and Walters might still be #1 or #2 himself if he was still active and could still make the weight. Those are like the two most talented featherweights of the last 5 to 10 years besides Loma, and Loma 12-0'd one almost stopped him and 7-0'd the other and made him quit. There is no discrediting that so just appreciate what Loma is doing now two weight classes higher still trying to prove himself even more after he already proved himself miles better than the other best guys his size of the last 5-10 years.

[Lomasexual]

Nothing to see here. A very good friend of Lomachenko is saying good things about him. Friends say good things about each other.

That about sums it up.

Loma is very positive about his friends too. It doesn't mean much.

[ALABAMA CRIMSON]

Let me ask you this. What would prove more in a P4P sense, beating Dmitry Bivol, or beating Julius Indongo? Cuz Bivol only has the WBA, Indongo had two belts. Or what would prove more, beating prime Bivol, or beating 49 year old BHop? Cuz old BHop had 3 belts when Kovalev beat him, Bivol only has the WBA, but prime Bivol is a lot harder to beat.

See my point? Belts are only as meaningful as the fighter that has them. They're MEANT to signify "this guy is the best" but there are so many belts now, and so many paper champions, that most the time, they don't. That's why the only option left for fans is to only judge them by the boxer that carries them. In the case of the 175 division, every belt basically carries equal value right now because they are all carried by elite fighters. The only one maybe losing value is the IBF because of Beterbiev's age, and the WBO may follow the same path if Kovalev's performance in the Alvarez rematch turns out to be a one-time thing and he goes back to being an under-over-trained-weight-drained 4 round fighter again. But in boxing you're as good as your last performance, so for now the WBO is valuable too.

But the WBC and WBA are tied for being worth the most right now because those are the two held by truly prime age elite light heavyweights, Gvozdyk and Bivol. Marcus can't go wrong fighting either of them.

You made some good points, and I understand that beating either Bivol or Gvozdyk would be a good win for Browne on his record, but I still very strongly believe that he should fight Gvozdyk. We can keep trying to tell ourselves that specific belts don’t matter, but they do.
There’s no sugarcoating the fact that the WBA has
reached never seen before levels of insanity recently, (WBA “Gold” titles?) and the WBC belt IS regarded as being the most historic title. But even if you totally disregard those facts, there’s the matter of fact that beating Gvozdyk wins Marcus Browne not just another belt, but The LINEAL Light Heavyweight Championship of the World. Both Bivol and Gvozdyk are both technically Champions, but there is one who is the lineal as well as WBC Champion, and another that has a belt from an organization that is really distinguishing itself for it’s insanity. When the fights over which would you rather have?