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Know what you guys remind me of?
A little clique of obsessive trainspotters who have deluded themselves into believing that the real purpose of the rail network is not to carry passengers around the country, but to give guys like them a fascinating...
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Duh ... isn't that what usually happens when you have the same points being made by 2 different people?...
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As well as the names mentioned here, Matchroom also have cruiserweight star Jai Opetaia on their books, plus the rising HW superstar Dave Allen!Coverdale likes this.
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Usyk vs Fury was a lineal title fight in the confused minds of a couple of old guys at a boxing forum. Meanwhile, in the real world ..... ...Last edited by kafkod; Yesterday, 04:28 PM.
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Abstract thought is not your forte. You obviously can't your head around the fact that "lineal champion" and "lineal title" are two completely different concepts....Last edited by kafkod; Yesterday, 11:29 AM.
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I've never said that any authority or organisation is infallible. What I am saying is that the recognised title belts have objective existence, the lineal title does not.
I don't accept that Daniel Dubois is the real HW champion. But he is the IBF world title holder, that is an indisputable...
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I was being sarcastic there. But it's absurd to say that no one can be corrupt without authority. Claiming or pretending to have authority when you have none is itself corrupt....Last edited by kafkod; Yesterday, 10:29 AM.Willie Pep 229 likes this.
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If I misunderstand him, he can put me straight, but these are the opinions I'm talking about:
The lineal title exists only as an idea, a Platonic type idealisation of what the world HW title should or would be, in an ideal world.
Historically, it was created and controlled...
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No, no ... only the alphabet orgs are corrupt. Everything around the lineal title is noble, honest, and pure as the driven snow....
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You keep telling me my reading comprehension sucks. Maybe if your spelling didn't suck I would comprehend what you were on about better?...
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If you understand his POV, then why don't you get wound up with him over it, the way you do with me for saying basically the same thing?...Last edited by kafkod; 05-17-2025, 10:05 AM.
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"Same is true for p4p bud"
Basically, yes. But the way the "lineal title" is sometimes used to sell fights and bamboozle fans is far more cynical and brazen than anything I've seen with P4P status. Eg, nobody from Bivols's team tried claiming Dmitry had won the P4P...
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The stipulations were that AJ had to say he accepted the offer via social media before his manager, Shelly Finkel, would speak to Eddie Hearn about the details or send him a contract. And he had to do it within 24 hours, or the offer was off the table. Finkel tried to justify this ridiculous bullsh...
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The point I was making about this fight in the first place was that the vast majority of boxing fans all over the world recognised Mike Tyson as the HW champ, even before he beat Spinks. In other words, Spinks was the imaginary lineal champion, but Iron Mike was the real champion, and the people's ...Last edited by kafkod; 05-15-2025, 03:14 PM.
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I don't believe you understand March's opinion any more than you understand mine. ....
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I don't need to contact TBRB. I'm just pointing out that they didn't accept Wlad vs Chagaev as a lineal title fight. That's the problem with imaginary titles. They are based on subjective opinions, not objective facts....
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"Yet the more knowlegable posters all say it is so"
Marchegiano knows more about boxing history than anybody else in this discussion, and his take on lineages and lineal titles is the same as mine....
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You have a talent for writing interesting posts while, at the same time, fundamentally misunderstanding what a lineal champion is supposed to be!
Lineal champions in boxing are not a development of the chivalric honour code which spawned duels.
Duels were fought by aristoc...Last edited by kafkod; 05-15-2025, 01:53 PM.
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