anyone who calls themselves an 'activist' is a waste of space

[Offensive Wizardry]

Unless you actually feel that either:

a) all the world's problems have been solved

or

b) we can count on our diligent and conscientious elected representatives to take care of everything on our behalf

then I guess I'm going to have to disagree with you my man.

We still got nukes, we still got global warming, we still got poverty and companies pumping out toxicity and species dying and increasing homelessness and employment insecurity and a multitude of other problems, we still got wars and corruption and abuse of official powers.... We still got authoritaroan creep and increasing surveillance and stealth attacks on our rights and civil liberties

There's always 'a cause' and I think even if you couldn't give a **** about some of those listed there's very few people who won't acknowledge that at least a few of em are of importance and that our Governments sometimes need a bit of a kick up the bunghole before they'll do anything.

how does instituting trillions in taxes for people using gasoline solve climate change?

you're from england right?

tell me, what's england's/UK's biggest problem and tell me how can you solve it?

there are no more causes today.

its all a ruse for people to lose their money. when it comes to western successful first world nations, everything is about getting in your pockets.

you are being played with and you dont even know it while you act all sanctimonious and morally superior because you allowed the media you consume to form your belief structures and life philosophies.

your staunch defense of the tax scam known as climate change just outs you for the world to see.

[Willy Wanker]

I always thought activist was a code word for unemployed.

[Madison Boxing]

I always thought activist was a code word for unemployed.

yeah, you thought right aha

[Larry the boss]

Armed activists show up to library and demand they ban books

[Citizen Koba]

how does instituting trillions in taxes for people using gasoline solve climate change?

you're from england right?

tell me, what's england's/UK's biggest problem and tell me how can you solve it?

there are no more causes today.

its all a ruse for people to lose their money. when it comes to western successful first world nations, everything is about getting in your pockets.

you are being played with and you dont even know it while you act all sanctimonious and morally superior because you allowed the media you consume to form your belief structures and life philosophies.

your staunch defense of the tax scam known as climate change just outs you for the world to see.

And because you got an opinion that makes it true huh? I could just as easy say it's you that's fallen for the well ducumented disinformation campaign funded by Exxon and their ilk and pushed relentlessly by the right media... that in fact you're the sheep. Prove me wrong.

Ah well, that ish just goes in circles and I don't much care anyway... the future will prove that's global warming is both real and anthropogenic whether your ass believes in or not. As to the rest - sure - I've been telling people how our governments have been scamming us since most posters here were still in short pants.

However I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it, but taxation has been the stick that Governments have used for decades for social engineering... want people to drink less? Tax alcohol more. Want people to smoke less? Tax tobacco more. Want people to drive less or buy less pollutiong vehicles? Tax petrol... you get the idea. You're only upset cos this time it's your ass getting taxed - that ain't any excuse to make yourself dumb IMO but each to their own I guess.

In fact there's substantial body of evidence suggesting education on the dangers of alcohol and tobacco were much more responsible for people's changing behaviour than taxation which is why I don't necessarily agree with taxing their way Green - I think it's as least as much about increasing revenue - but using taxation as a stick is what the argument for taxation is.

Englands biggest current problems are the imminent demise of our public health service by stealth privatisation , an increasingly intrusive surveillance state, authoritarian creep typically manifesting in increasing attacks on the right to protest, the right to strike and the right to gather, simultaneous attacks on employment security and the social security system leaving millions at risk of homelessness or in food or fuel poverty... there's been numerous laws in recent years impinging our rights, most noticably the recent crime and policing bill which myself and tens of others have protested - whether through getting out on the streets or through more traditonal channels such as writing to - or simply harabguing - our MPs.

We also got attacks on voting rights, the degradation of national infrastructure leading to turds on our beaches, destruction of the countryside, a lack of affordable housing and about a million other things - and yes we also quietly got activists who are working on all of em. Those are the heroes you never hear about.

And the simple fact is that whether or not your government is seeking to tax you for their own purposes anthropogenic climate change is absolutely real - and neither you or anyone else has provided a viable alternative explanation of just why the planet is warming up. You might choose to ingnore the overwhelming evidence, might even ignore the fact that you can't explain global warming except by looking at human activity but just don't expect everyone else to bury their heads in the sand.

[Offensive Wizardry]

I'm not saying I necessarily agree but taxation has been the stick that Governments have used for decades for social engineering... want people to drink less? Tax alcohol more. Want people to smoke less? Tax tobacco more. Want people to drive less or buy less pollutiong vehicles? Tax petrol... you get the idea.

In fact there's substantial body of evidence suggesting education on the dangers of alcohol and tobacco were much more responsible for people's changing behaviour than taxationwhich is why I don't necessarily agree with taxing their way Green - I think it's as least as much about increasing revenue - but using taxation as a stick is what the argument for taxation is.

Englands biggest current problems are the imminent demise of our public health service by stealth privatisation , an increasingly intrusive surveillance state, authoritarian creep typically manifesting in increasing attacks on the right to protest, the right to strike and the right to gather, simultaneous attacks on employment security and the social security system leaving millions at risk of homelessness or in food or fuel poverty... there's been numerous laws in recent years impinging our rights, most noticably the recent crime and policing bill which myself and tens of others have protested.

And the simple fact is that whether or not your government is seeking to tax you for their own purposes anthropogenic climate change is absolutely real - and neither you or anyone else has provided viable alternative explanation of just why the planet is warming up. You might choose to ingnore the overwhelming evidence, might even ignore the fact that you can't explain global warming except by looking at human activity but just don't expect everyone else to bury their heads in the sand.

its not real.

ive already proven it in my climate change thread which you have ducked out on,


and thanks for actually agreeing with me that taxation is not really gonna solve climate change (because its a fake problem).



even you know deep down its a bs fake problem with a fake solution yet here you are, you'd rather be taxed for a bs problem than to admit that you got suckered into believing something fake.



you should be ashamed for calling the NIF gibberish in my thread. you dont even want to talk science....

[Citizen Koba]

its not real.

ive already proven it in my climate change thread which you have ducked out on,


and thanks for actually agreeing with me that taxation is not really gonna solve climate change (because its a fake problem).



even you know deep down its a bs fake problem with a fake solution yet here you are, you'd rather be taxed for a bs problem than to admit that you got suckered into believing something fake.



you should be ashamed for calling the NIF gibberish in my thread. you dont even want to talk science....

All your climate change thread proved is that you don't know how to construct a coherent logical argument.


Let's start from the beginning again.

Are you claiming the Earth isn't warming up?

[Offensive Wizardry]

All your climate change thread proved is that you don't know how to construct a coherent logical argument.


Let's start from the beginning again.

Are you claiming the Earth isn't warming up?

only to those who are dishonest with themselves and cannot form a proper argument.

the earth's weather is cyclical. and a human being's time on planet earth only accounts for such a small fraction in time and space considering a planet that is billions of years old works on a cosmic calendar.

are you saying if we tax people (western first world nations only LOL) for using gasoline that is somehow gonna stop the earth from warming?

do you have any evidence of that?

you think the people that live in siberia thinks the world is warming???? and that they need to be taxed for using gasoline????

[Citizen Koba]

you should be ashamed for calling the NIF gibberish in my thread. you dont even want to talk science....

Oh... and I didn't call the NIF gibberish at all. I'm very much in support of both the NIF and the numerous other fusion projects underway around the globe. Like I said it's a very exciting time for fusion energy, with recent breakthroughs or at least significant progress in from Britian, China, Europe and the US.

My only point was it'd be foolish to count on it and in any case it would be most prudent to cut our energy and resource use anyway... even if we were to get a working fusion plant online by the end of the decade (which is likely still a tall order) it could easily be another 2 or 3 decades before the technology fully matures and becomes widespread enough to really cut into our fossil fuel consumption by which point we'd be on trajectory for another 0.5 - 1.0 C rise.

You interested in fusion though it's a fascinating topic and one I'm more than happy to talk about.

[Citizen Koba]

only to those who are dishonest with themselves and cannot form a proper argument.

the earth's weather is cyclical. and a human being's time on planet earth only accounts for such a small fraction in time and space considering a planet that is billions of years old works on a cosmic calendar.

are you saying if we tax people (western first world nations only LOL) for using gasoline that is somehow gonna stop the earth from warming?

do you have any evidence of that?

you think the people that live in siberia thinks the world is warming???? and that they need to be taxed for using gasoline????

No I'm not arguing the tax issue one way or another. That is an issue of social policy not one of science.

So you agree that the Earth is warming yes?