10 Most Historically Important Boxers?

[Willie Pep 229]

Ah. And indeed, like so the fighters were gloved in the drawing accompanying the article I saw which I now remember was in a children's encyclopedia set decades ago. They may have gotten their eras mixed, or just didn't care. It would seem impossible to win a large number of fights undefeated--with the body wear and tear those mitts would mete out-- or even to live very long.

Surely it must have been the artist's personal touch that depicted the contestants seated on granite blocks facing each other and partially chained with knees touching, and rather long spikes too. I don't know if anything like that ever happened, though I am sure worse has.

Or possibly a death sentence for criminals.

Criminals fighting to the death wasn't an uncommon punishment, used to excite the blood lust of the crowd.

But I would not call it boxing, or them boxers.

Trained fighters, e.g. gladiators, boxers, were not so expendable. $$$

[Willie Pep 229]

So much of popular history is utter bollocks.

For example Nero and Caligula.

By the standards of the time they were no better or worse than most Roman Emperors.

Smear campaigns written by their enemies long after their death means nothing.

Livia was another

As for who I think was the greatest man who held absolute power in history, look no further than the humble Stoic Marcus Aurelius.

Who when going through Rome in triumphs always hired a bloke to whisper in his ear -

'You are only a man.'

I have this personal historical hypothesis regarding Caligula.

I think he was a severely abused child.

Trapped on Capri with the man who (literally) murdered his entire family and is a historically confirmed pedofile.

Caligula was not a tyrant in the political sense. He showed no interest in running the empire. The Senate had more control under Caligula than it did any other emperor.

But if we are to believe even half of what is said of him, he was a psychopath. A rapist and a murderer. It was all personal.

Serial rapists and killers are often the product of severe child abuse or neglect.

Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus spent his entire adolescence under the complete control of Tiberius. That was ten years of abuse at the hands of a pedo.

By the time he reached the throne, he must have been one screwed up puppy.

I doubt he ever had a chance at being normal.

[QueensburyRules]

Or possibly a death sentence for criminals.

Criminals fighting to the death wasn't an uncommon punishment, used to excite the blood lust of the crowd.

But I would not call it boxing, or them boxers.

Trained fighters, e.g. gladiators, boxers, were not so expendable. $$$

- - Moderns speaking English call it Boxing because it has a lineal historical timeline with many other cultures also.

Early ML Baseball and Football and Basketball is as far removed from the Modern games as is Rome is to boxing today.

[Anomalocaris]

I have this personal historical hypothesis regarding Caligula.

I think he was a severely abused child.

Trapped on Capri with the man who (literally) murdered his entire family and is a historically confirmed pedofile.

Caligula was not a tyrant in the political sense. He showed no interest in running the empire. The Senate had more control under Caligula than it did any other emperor.

But if we are to believe even half of what is said of him, he was a psychopath. A rapist and a murderer. It was all personal.

Serial rapists and killers are often the product of severe child abuse or neglect.

Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus spent his entire adolescence under the complete control of Tiberius. That was ten years of abuse at the hands of a pedo.

By the time he reached the throne, he must have been one screwed up puppy.

I doubt he ever had a chance at being normal.

He may have been a sociopath (at least according to what was written long after his death). He certainly had a truly horrific childhood.

Psychopaths are born with different brains, sociopaths are made.

[The D3vil]

I think Corbett should be there, certainly in front of Tyson.Another for consideration Armstrong,but still a fine list!

I picked Tyson because he's the most famous living boxer & on the short list of most famous athletes in the world & the last historically significant heavy.

Maybe not as great as Lennox, Evander, or Usyk, but he's the last one that was considered the "Baddest Man on the Planet".

[Mr Mitts]

Don't let that stop you from announcing the twist in your panties.



The cestus you and Queen are talking about are about 500 years removed from Theo. It has nothing to do with why his 1200 wins is an unbelievable feat. I have a thread covering ancient equipment if you're genuinely interested.


The 1200 is what it is on the surface, so deep into the world of improbable it is unbelievable. Basic statistics and math.

The lottery system and soft mitts of Theo's era along with the size of participation and history of the sport being only about 200 years deep by then. As an Hellenic sport anyway, all sometimes start to get reader to think maybe it is possible

But, we do actually know, not think, this is propaganda by the ancient who came after Theo and before Pausanias and his Descriptions of Greece (the source).

Theaganese was disqualified from a competition.

So even if he did beat up 1200, which is, you know, mathematically insane, we know they do not count his DQs as losses.




And again, the point is you only bark against ridiculous historical bull**** when it doesn't come from Nat Fleischer.

Good post. Only thing is, my panties don't bunch; not enough ass on me, like a cat.

You have much better to do than spank me, for instance telling me everything you know about the ancient equipment. I am one who thinks the ancients do not get enough coverage here.

[Mr Mitts]

I have this personal historical hypothesis regarding Caligula.

I think he was a severely abused child.

Trapped on Capri with the man who (literally) murdered his entire family and is a historically confirmed pedofile.

Caligula was not a tyrant in the political sense. He showed no interest in running the empire. The Senate had more control under Caligula than it did any other emperor.

But if we are to believe even half of what is said of him, he was a psychopath. A rapist and a murderer. It was all personal.

Serial rapists and killers are often the product of severe child abuse or neglect.

Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus spent his entire adolescence under the complete control of Tiberius. That was ten years of abuse at the hands of a pedo.

By the time he reached the throne, he must have been one screwed up puppy.

I doubt he ever had a chance at being normal.

All agreed with.

[Bronson66]

I picked Tyson because he's the most famous living boxer & on the short list of most famous athletes in the world & the last historically significant heavy.

Maybe not as great as Lennox, Evander, or Usyk, but he's the last one that was considered the "Baddest Man on the Planet".

You are entitled to pick whom ever you want,we all have our own criteria.

[GhostofDempsey]

In no particular order:

Dempsey - launched boxing’s popularity and produced first million dollar gate
Armstrong - held titles in three weight classes simultaneously
Pep - 62-0 in first win streak, after first loss had 72 fight win streak, came back from plane crash and fractured back during second win streak
Robinson - had two careers after comeback from retirement, fought competitively with prime fighters to age 45, never KO’d in 201 fits but stopped only once for heat exhaustion.
Ali - resurrected boxing during the post Marciano television era
Leonard - the first face of boxing for non-heavyweight post Ali
Tyson - revived boxing and heavyweight division post Holmes era
Foreman - oldest HW champion
Pacquiao - first and only champion in eight weight classes
Lomachenko - 396-1 as amateur won Olympic gold in two weight classes avenged his only loss, fastest to win major pro titles in three weight classes—in under 12 fights.

[Marchegiano]

Good post. Only thing is, my panties don't bunch; not enough ass on me, like a cat.

You have much better to do than spank me, for instance telling me everything you know about the ancient equipment. I am one who thinks the ancients do not get enough coverage here.

Maybe I mistook you. I felt like you had given me **** lightly so I was doing the same. I thought we were just having a little fun between the actual statements. I'm not looking to spank nobody, that's too much pain in the ass. Especially you Mitts, I dunno if you know this or not, but you're a top poster. I am absolutely fine with admitting I don't want that smoke.


Yeah bud, I've not even seen my equipment thread in a while. I can probably add to it. I'll bump it soon as I've caught up with the weekend posts.