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    #1

    There is no case for Whitaker beating Oscar

    Just scored it again as I have been all of De La Hoya's close/controversial battles this month. I had it 115-111 for Oscar.

    Oscar stole a close round or two based on more effective punching. Whitaker spent this whole fight going backwards and clowning, which is something you do when you don't like getting hit. He obviously was.

    In the past, I used to accept scorecards that had it a draw, but watching it again the judges were actually pretty spot on. One had the same score as me while the other two each gave Oscar an extra round. They were slightly too wide but nothing unbelievable. I would love for a Whitaker fan to explain to me how he won this fight. Really, if a Whitaker fan can show me 6 rounds he won, I would love to hear why.

    So thus far I have scored the fights

    Whitaker-De La Hoya: 115-111 De La Hoya
    De La Hoya-Quartey: 114-111 Quartey
    De La Hoya-Trinidad: 117-111 De La Hoya
    De La Hoya-Mosley I: 115-113 Mosley
    #2
    I don't score, nor watch closely enough to really have my opinion overly valued in this thread, but...

    You really have to believe that Oscar hits a lot harder than Whitaker to give him a bunch of rounds in this fight IMO. Whitaker obviously is not a killer with his punches, but he was landing a lot more frequently, and was making Oscar miss quite a bit of his flurries.

    But really, neither fighter really separated themself from the other in this fight, and I don't think either can be pissy with a decision, no matter which way it went.

    Of all the Oscar "robberies", I thought this one was the hardest to score.

    I thought he beat Trinidad quite handily, just like you did.
    I thought Quartey kicked his ass other than a couple of rounds... damn George Foreman for his insanely biased commentary in that fight.

    I still haven't seen either Mosley-De La Hoya fight yet.

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      #3
      I had it an absolute draw..

      There were cases to be made for both, but the margin of victory for Oscar was the real problem in this fight.

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        #4
        Making a guy miss means nothing if you don't hit him back

        And it's pretty much universally accepted that Whitaker doesn't hit nearly as hard as Oscar. Oscar has KO'd bigger men while Whitaker has what 10 knockouts over his entire career? Even a defensive counter puncher knocks people out if he has any semblance of power whatsoever.

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          #5
          Facts are facts... Sweetpea made ODLH miss A LOT, and look amatuerish at time... he outlanded ODLH, and even scored a flash knockdown. A draw is being NICE to ODLH IMO... I had Sweetpea winning by 3 pts with that 10 - 8 round factored in.

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            #6
            Originally posted by K-Nan View Post
            I had it an absolute draw..

            There were cases to be made for both, but the margin of victory for Oscar was the real problem in this fight.
            but you have to explain why. we only had it two rounds different, which isn't a huge deal, but what round are we disagreeing on I wonder? 6 is definitely one of them. I gave it to Oscar for landing meaningful punches although Whitaker looked more impressive most of the round.

            I think Pernell's problem is he thinks judges give a **** about dancing around and clowning. That's not ring generalship. That's out of ideas.

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              #7
              Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
              Making a guy miss means nothing if you don't hit him back

              And it's pretty much universally accepted that Whitaker doesn't hit nearly as hard as Oscar. Oscar has KO'd bigger men while Whitaker has what 10 knockouts over his entire career? Even a defensive counter puncher knocks people out if he has any semblance of power whatsoever.
              That's fair, but basing a decision of Oscar over Whitaker because Oscar knocked out Vargas in the future is pretty unfair.

              I thought Whitaker had the jab going pretty well for the most part on the offensive side, and was making Oscar miss.

              I probably would have given the decision to Whitaker (even though I don't score, so that means absolute jack ****) because I thought he was landing more punches, and the punches Oscar was landing weren't really hard or really clean enough to make up for that deficit.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
                Making a guy miss means nothing if you don't hit him back

                And it's pretty much universally accepted that Whitaker doesn't hit nearly as hard as Oscar. Oscar has KO'd bigger men while Whitaker has what 10 knockouts over his entire career? Even a defensive counter puncher knocks people out if he has any semblance of power whatsoever.
                He wasn't just making him miss. He was landing the cleaner punches overall. Whittaker's biggest downfall was his being outworked at times and being knocked down (though never hurt)..

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by DiegoFuego View Post
                  but you have to explain why. we only had it two rounds different, which isn't a huge deal, but what round are we disagreeing on I wonder? 6 is definitely one of them. I gave it to Oscar for landing meaningful punches although Whitaker looked more impressive most of the round.

                  I think Pernell's problem is he thinks judges give a **** about dancing around and clowning. That's not ring generalship. That's out of ideas.
                  ****, idk man! I know I had it an absolute draw. I mean, I could watch the fight if I want- it's on the laptop. But I don't wanna be bothered with it right now. I'm just telling you how I scored it, and also saying that the judges scored it way, way too wide for Oscar. That was the true 'fishiness' about this fight. They actually did Oscar a slight injustice by doing that, imo. Because if they had given it to Oscar in a SD or even a close UD, then there probably would be much less talk about the fight. But it's focused in on even today because of that shady scoring. And it adds to Oscar's history of getting strange scores.

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                    #10
                    sturm put on a clinic against him lets not forget that

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