Comments Thread For: Indongo Manager Eyes Crawford Unification, Hits Back at Lipinets

[Sledgeweather17]

I don't see the same similarities you do here. To me I'm a fan of fighting not abc group rules. And for me seeing the top 2 guys fight at 140 & 160 holds more value than a silly abc group mandatory that was "earned" by beating Lenny Z. My desire as a fan is always to see the best 2 guys in a division competing vs each other first and foremost regardless of any or all potential titles involved in that fight. I care about fights not belts.

Boxing isn't the same as it used to be pre-all these abc group. Belts have been severely devalued.

This whole 'belts are meaningless' thing is, let's face it, nonsense!

Which fighter do you know of that has made it big without ever holding a single belt?

The belt orgs are what give us an idea of the level of talent a fighter has, which is why guys like Manny and Mayweather, even when they were already ppv super stars, still recognised the need to have a strap around their waist. Even Canelo didn't just duck GGG, he ducked him and went to get another title at 154, because he knows it is important to have that strap around the waist.

Also, if the idea is to have one undisputed champ in a division, then why have Indogo vacate instead of keeping that belt so that he can unify ALL the belts with Crawford?

As I mentioned earlier, Crawford already has a fight lined up with Diaz, so why are you against Indongo defending his title when dropping out literally will change nothing at all since Crawford is fighting someone else anyway? What is your real agenda here?

[Eff Pandas]

This whole 'belts are meaningless' thing is, let's face it, nonsense!

Why can't anyone discuss anything without trying to move the goalposts? Legit question for anyone?

Back to the topic at hand, did I say they are meaningless? I guess to me they actually are. But what I believe I actually said was belts are devalued unlike ever before so they matter less then ever before. Thus guys are vacating them & deciding not to defend them more than any time I can recall. That's what it seems like anyway, maybe I'm incorrect & people were vacating & dropping & being stripped of titles more in some period previous to now.

Which fighter do you know of that has made it big without ever holding a single belt?

Like I said quit moving the goalposts. Titles mean less then they ever have in boxing history arguably. And I can definitely say titles mean less than any time since I've been watching boxing.

Also, if the idea is to have one undisputed champ in a division, then why have Indogo vacate instead of keeping that belt so that he can unify ALL the belts with Crawford?

Because there are always silly mandatories & everything in boxing is always "one fight away" & not about entertaining fans anymore. Give me the top guys fighting. Beating Lenny Z shouldn't give anyone a title shot. And like I keep saying I'm a big Lipinets fan & I expect him to hold a title one day regardless if he gets the Indongo fight or not.

What is your real agenda here?

My agenda as a fan is seeing the best fight the best now. Not a year from now, not when things have been "marinated", not when both guys feel the money is right or any other bs. I wanna see competitive fights among the best guys. I don't care if a guy is getting $10,000 or $10B for the fight. You know like what happens in most other sports all the time & even concluding with a legit one "world champion" at the end of every year. The abc groups prevent that with their dumba$$ mandatories & other dumba$$ery. That's what I'm for & that's what I'm against.

[Kigali]

Says the person who never been to Russia, you little ******

What does ****** stand for??

[Sledgeweather17]

Why can't anyone discuss anything without trying to move the goalposts? Legit question for anyone?

Back to the topic at hand, did I say they are meaningless? I guess to me they actually are. But what I believe I actually said was belts are devalued unlike ever before so they matter less then ever before. Thus guys are vacating them & deciding not to defend them more than any time I can recall. That's what it seems like anyway, maybe I'm incorrect & people were vacating & dropping & being stripped of titles more in some period previous to now.



Like I said quit moving the goalposts. Titles mean less then they ever have in boxing history arguably. And I can definitely say titles mean less than any time since I've been watching boxing.



Because there are always silly mandatories & everything in boxing is always "one fight away" & not about entertaining fans anymore. Give me the top guys fighting. Beating Lenny Z shouldn't give anyone a title shot. And like I keep saying I'm a big Lipinets fan & I expect him to hold a title one day regardless if he gets the Indongo fight or not.



My agenda as a fan is seeing the best fight the best now. Not a year from now, not when things have been "marinated", not when both guys feel the money is right or any other bs. I wanna see competitive fights among the best guys. I don't care if a guy is getting $10,000 or $10B for the fight. You know like what happens in most other sports all the time & even concluding with a legit one "world champion" at the end of every year. The abc groups prevent that with their dumba$$ mandatories & other dumba$$ery. That's what I'm for & that's what I'm against.

You still avoided the real question that is being posed to you. Even when you quoted it at the end, you intentional misquoted it by leaving out the mosty important part of the question, that being that, "Since Crawford already has a fined with Diaz coming up, why are you against Indongo defending his title? You know he aint getting the Crawford fight next whether he takes the mandatory defense or not, because Crawford is fighting Diaz, hence I ask what your real agenda is?"

So tell us, what is your real agenda? Clearly it aint about Crawford vs Indongo coz you know Indongo aint next in line even if he vacates, what's your real problem with him defending the title against Lipinets?

Time to stop running and own up, answer the question. The real question this time, not the misquote you keep intentional making.

[Eff Pandas]

I felt I answered the important questions, but fair enough I'll answer all your questions in this post.

"Since Crawford already has a fined with Diaz coming up, why are you against Indongo defending his title?

This seems obvious to me, but I'll break it down for you.

Indongo just fought a week & a half ago. Crawford is fighting just 6 weeks away from when Indongo fight.

Its easy for Indongo to sit for 6 weeks to schedule a fight post-Crawford vs Diaz for Aug/Sept.

The other option is Indongo vs Lipinets happens in lets say July/Aug means that Crawford will likely have another fight lined up by then cuz he's the A side guy & don't need to wait for anyone.

So lets say Crawford fights another bs guy (cuz there isn't anyone he should be fighting at 140 besides Indongo at this point reallllllly) in Aug/Sept,

Now we pushed back the the two guys fighting to the end of the year at best & that's only if some other bs unearned mandatory fight pops up by that point.

The abc groups have made it so hard to actually fight tip top competition + keep these belts. And that's a large part why the belts have less value then they've ever had in the history of the sport or at least for the decades I've been following it.

You know he aint getting the Crawford fight next whether he takes the mandatory defense or not, because Crawford is fighting Diaz, hence I ask what your real agenda is?"

I don't know that Crawford vs Indongo is or isn't happening. I don't see why all parties wouldn't be discussing that fight since they are the only two belt holders in the division right now.

And I told you my agenda. I wanna see the best fights now. You just seem to think I have some agenda beyond being entertained by the most competitive & interesting fights being made.

So tell us, what is your real agenda? Clearly it aint about Crawford vs Indongo coz you know Indongo aint next in line even if he vacates, what's your real problem with him defending the title against Lipinets?

LOL you are nothing if not persistent about proclaiming a guy has an agenda despite me be straight up with you.

Let me break it down further, Crawford ain't got interesting fights at 140. Indongo is the only guy he should be fighting since they are the clear 1 & 2 guys in the division right now.

Lipinets is a bad mfer who'll get his shot sooner or later anyway, but he's done f#ck all so far at 140 that deserves a title shot for any belt. That said win or lose vs Indongo or Crawford in the next 12 months should he get either of those fights I think he'll be a title holder one day.

And sh^t man if you think I got some sort of Lipinets hate you can search my history & see I was a fan of Lipinets before I was a fan of Crawford (I was sh^tting on him up til the Postol W in July as I was hyping Postol as his first "real" fight & embarrassingly now picked Postol to win).

Meanwhile here's a post I made about Lipinets in June, one month before I started giving Crawford some respect & being more of a fan of his:

Lipinets & Barrios are two of my favorite prospects in the game right now. Lipinets in particular seems like he could be a player fairly soon if he keeps winning & I think he's got 9-10 fights still so he's probably gonna be another one of these guys thrown into the fire super early in their pro career.

http://jeetwin24.com/forums/s...s#post16786977

And I didn't even know who the f#ck Indongo was til he shockingly KO"d Troya late in 2016.

Now I got a question for you since I answered all your questions.

What do you think my agenda is if its not seeing the best fight the fight right now?

[Sledgeweather17]

I felt I answered the important questions, but fair enough I'll answer all your questions in this post.



This seems obvious to me, but I'll break it down for you.

Indongo just fought a week & a half ago. Crawford is fighting just 6 weeks away from when Indongo fight.

Its easy for Indongo to sit for 6 weeks to schedule a fight post-Crawford vs Diaz for Aug/Sept.

The other option is Indongo vs Lipinets happens in lets say July/Aug means that Crawford will likely have another fight lined up by then cuz he's the A side guy & don't need to wait for anyone.

So lets say Crawford fights another bs guy (cuz there isn't anyone he should be fighting at 140 besides Indongo at this point reallllllly) in Aug/Sept,

Now we pushed back the the two guys fighting to the end of the year at best & that's only if some other bs unearned mandatory fight pops up by that point.

The abc groups have made it so hard to actually fight tip top competition + keep these belts. And that's a large part why the belts have less value then they've ever had in the history of the sport or at least for the decades I've been following it.



I don't know that Crawford vs Indongo is or isn't happening. I don't see why all parties wouldn't be discussing that fight since they are the only two belt holders in the division right now.

And I told you my agenda. I wanna see the best fights now. You just seem to think I have some agenda beyond being entertained by the most competitive & interesting fights being made.



LOL you are nothing if not persistent about proclaiming a guy has an agenda despite me be straight up with you.

Let me break it down further, Crawford ain't got interesting fights at 140. Indongo is the only guy he should be fighting since they are the clear 1 & 2 guys in the division right now.

Lipinets is a bad mfer who'll get his shot sooner or later anyway, but he's done f#ck all so far at 140 that deserves a title shot for any belt. That said win or lose vs Indongo or Crawford in the next 12 months should he get either of those fights I think he'll be a title holder one day.

And sh^t man if you think I got some sort of Lipinets hate you can search my history & see I was a fan of Lipinets before I was a fan of Crawford (I was sh^tting on him up til the Postol W in July as I was hyping Postol as his first "real" fight & embarrassingly now picked Postol to win).

Meanwhile here's a post I made about Lipinets in June, one month before I started giving Crawford some respect & being more of a fan of his:

http://jeetwin24.com/forums/s...s#post16786977

And I didn't even know who the f#ck Indongo was til he shockingly KO"d Troya late in 2016.

Now I got a question for you since I answered all your questions.

What do you think my agenda is if its not seeing the best fight the fight right now?

What do I think your agenda is?

You just admitted that Lipinets be one of your favorites, so instead of him getting KTFO by Indongo, you want Indongo to get stripped so Lipinets can get an easy title shot for a vacant title, and then you'll accuse Ingongo of ducking Lipinets when Lipinets is the champion and Indongo gets beat by Crawford.

That's what I think you agenda is.

[Eff Pandas]

What do I think your agenda is?

You just admitted that Lipinets be one of your favorites, so instead of him getting KTFO by Indongo, you want Indongo to get stripped so Lipinets can get an easy title shot for a vacant title, and then you'll accuse Ingongo of ducking Lipinets when Lipinets is the champion and Indongo gets beat by Crawford.

That's what I think you agenda is.

LOL you obviously don't know me cuz I make fun of what I call the "duck people" all the time. About the only situation who'll see me call a duck is the Canelo situation with GGG & I accuse Oscar of ducking not Canelo cuz I think Canelo would fight the devil in hell. Its Oscar who's the problem with making that fight in my eyes.

I assure you, once again lol, my only agenda is seeing the best fights & currently I'm a fan of all 3 f#cking guys. Like I said Lipinets was just the first. Whoever fights whoever at 140 among those 3 is gonna make me feel bad for the guy who loses. So if my agenda was fighters over the sport of boxing in this situation than I'd be pushing for Indongo to drop the IBF belt & not fight Crawford so all 3 could be "world champions" lol.

And I honestly don't know who wins between Indongo or Lipinets. I actually think its an interesting fight, but I think Indongo deserves to fight the #1 guy as a guy who's beaten the previous #2 guy in the division & just got half of the belts in his last fight. And like I said regardless of what happens for Lipinets with Indongo & him fighting I think he'll win a title in the future anyway. I think him losing to Indongo, if that did happen, would be a good learning experience for him long term.

Mainly I suppose I don't feel like Lipinets deserves a mandatory title shot for a W over Lenny Z + Crawford is holding his **** at 140 lately with no real competition at 140 since beating Postol. Crawford's gonna breeze by Diaz. Then what? Ruslan Provodnikov? Broner? Amir Iman(?) or Jason Pagara(?) if they are pushed as undeserving mandatories? Those first two fights have name brand appeal, but I don't think any are real fights for Crawford.

I'd rather see Crawford either be challenged by Indongo, who's now proven his worth at 140 with 2 notable wins, & create a legit nemesis at 140 or beat him, have all the belts & finally move up to 147 for a challenge. And then Indongo vs Lipinets can fight probably for the #1 spot post-Crawford.

That's the way I'd like to see things go anyway. No agenda except seeing the best most deserving opponents fight each other today & in the future.

[Pigeons]

Why is the IBF standing in the way of a unification? It's ironic that the one sanctioning body that has written rules stating a unification comes before a mandatory is turning a blind eye to that fact and impeding the crowning of an undisputed champion at 140.

And all this for a guy with 12 fights that went life and death with Lenny Zappavigna?