Manny Pacquiao Is Not An 8 Division World Champion

[Bob]

Of course he isn't.
He's a an 8 division belt holder.
#tomanybelts

[Ben Bolt]

Of course he isn't.
He's a an 8 division belt holder.
#tomanybelts

I really like Manny.
But, an 8-division WORLD title holder is still to be seen - and will never be.
Hear that, Henry Armstrong!

Oh, these boxing orgs and their ocean of titles ... Yuck ...

[Ben Bolt]

The Ring is not a sanctioning body

Just a thought ... The Ring is not a sanctioning body, that's true. But by tradition and reasoning,
The Ring is definitely of more credability than the boxing orgs. So is Transnational Boxing.

I'm pleased to see, there are still someones involved in boxing, which cares about integrity.

If we are to believe the boxing orgs, there are currently 78 'world' champions in 18 weight classes.
My old, intelligent math teacher in school had never been able to solve that equation ...

[HOUDINI563]

The only real title is the lineal title. All others are manufactured and have no history behind them. Without the history they are meaningless.

[Marchegiano]

Yet you’re on the other thread claiming Ortiz is a consensus top 10 and the rankings like the ring prove it ?

Hes better then Wlad Klitschko to ?

Must have really got to you if you're coming into History to talk **** Like we don't know our regulars, or what you've said has **** all to do with Manny.

Did I say consensus is bad or inconsistent? Alright, your first point is pointless.

Did I say Ortiz is better than Wlad when I said Wlad's considered a top ATG for being a decade long reigning champion so Ortiz being a decade long top ten ought to have value too? Do you see the difference yet? Wlad's a ****ing champion ya mook. Ortiz being a decade long top ten was never presented as if that bests a decade long champion, or even equal to. We were talking about ratings and I gave you an alternative reasoning for acknowledging talent outside of eye test and resume. That's it. Wlad's only being compared because that is what Wlad's claim to fame is.

Conversely, Filip has a long way to go. No resume, not been on top for a long time, ****ing nothing but amateur ****.

Ya got schooled and you're about to really embarrass yourself even more. Write some **** about Pac ya goofy prick or take yer sore ass elsewhere. We ain't got time for "My Criteria" ****s here. If you weren't such a god awful dumb prick I'd be nicer to your ****** ass but a mother ****er can't even give you a perspective you're not taking into account without you blowing up like the little insignificant bull's pizzle you are.

[Marchegiano]

The only real title is the lineal title. All others are manufactured and have no history behind them. Without the history they are meaningless.

I'm not even sure what lineal would look like using historical traditions. Wlad vs Ruslan is not really a 1 vs 2 fight and former lineals used to tell us who the next lineal is...I go with consensus, I'm not saying Wlad's not lineal or that Fury's not lineal, just that Wlad didn't achieve it historically and so the history it represents takes a hit. IMO.

Another one is a lack of belt. Today people say it like it's always been a beltless title. We know better. That's another new-ish idea plugged into a very old title.

[MikeyMike100]

The only real title is the lineal title. All others are manufactured and have no history behind them. Without the history they are meaningless.

Lineal is weak especially in the 4 belt era Roy Jones was never lineal in any weight class. Was he never the best in any weight class? Shannon Briggs also held the lineal at one point over Holyfield and Lewis

[The Old LefHook]

Pacman has never been undisputed champion of any division.

[ShoulderRoll]

I'm in complete agreement about 140. Not about the catch weights, though.

And you'd have a hard time convincing me that Marco Antonio Barrera wasn't the best 126-pounder in the world when Pacquiao beat him the first time.

[GhostofDempsey]

Lineal is weak especially in the 4 belt era Roy Jones was never lineal in any weight class. Was he never the best in any weight class? Shannon Briggs also held the lineal at one point over Holyfield and Lewis

Lineal doesn’t carry the same weight since the era of multiple belts. Lineal used to mean you were the man who beat the man. Now the “man” is four men. Lineal has lost its meaning.