Duran is not a top ten ATG

[Mersey]

lol some peoples logic on here is amazing =\

[Dynamite Kid]

1 Duran was LW

2 Duran had, had 70 fights by the time he lost to Benitez he was clearly on the slide and fighting out of his natural weight div.

[TheGreatA]

He didn't lose a wide U.D to Hagler. Didn't Hagler win by like 2-3 rounds

Duran was actually leading on the scorecards after 12 rounds. The scorecards were 142-144, 145-146, 143-144, all for Hagler.

Hagler showed too much respect early on but he swept the last three rounds.

[DarchinyFAN]

Considering how many boxers there have been, saying someone is not Top 10 is hardly an insult. Its really a matter of degrees and opinions when you get up that high.

You could probably take any fighter in the top 30 (depending on how much of a historian/debater you are maybe even lower) and make a logical argument for them being in the top 10.

[The_One77]

duran fought nobodies in the lightweight division

[Dynamite Kid]

duran fought nobodies in the lightweight division

Who did Hagler beat before he built his career on beating Duran,Hearns ?

[The_One77]

Who did Hagler beat before he built his career on beating Duran,Hearns ?

exactly, had hagler lost his defining fights we would not be talking about him and he would not be on my avatar. Duran fought nobodies and lost against the greats, nothing personal against the ugly mother****er but hes not a great fighter.......Would of made an excellent Panamanian road sweeper though.

[Steak]

Leonard=One of the best ever at 147lbs
Hearns=The best ever at 154lbs(maybe McCallum)
Hagler=The best ever at 160lbs(maybe Monzon)

youre really going to count these kind of losses against Duran? the guy was a Lightweight.

notable wins?
1. Ernesto Marcel, future featherweight champ, first man to beat Alexis Arguello. Duran beat him at 130lbs, and when he was a teenager.
2. Former long reigning 130lb champ Hiroshi Kobayashi
3. 43-1 champ Ken Buchanan, who had wins over Ismael Laguna, Carlos Hernandez and went on to beat an older Carlos Ortiz
4. 2 wins over future champ Esteban DeJesus
5. Dominant win over Carlos Palomino, who had taken Benitez to a split decision in his last fight and was a Welterweight champ
6. An unbeaten Ray Leonard, and I dont think I need explain anything here. Leonard is at least in the top 5 of the Welterweight division of all time.
7. Former Welterweight champ Pipino Cuevas
8. Unbeaten Light Middleweight champ Davey Moore, who went on to beat Benitez
9. Iran Barkley, who was coming off his KO win over Hearns and went on to beat Hearns again and become a three division champ.
10. A win over Jorge Fernando Castro, a former champ who went on to have a run at Cruiserweight. Duran beat him when he was 46, and when Castro was ranked in the top 5 at Middleweight at the time.

and these are just some of the names on Duran's record. and keep in mind that during most the time that Duran was fighting, there were only 2 major belts instead of the laughable 4 that we have today. in other words...it was way harder to become a world champ than it is today.

[Dynamite Kid]

exactly, had hagler lost his defining fights we would not be talking about him and he would not be on my avatar. Duran fought nobodies and lost against the greats, nothing personal against the ugly mother****er but hes not a great fighter.......Would of made an excellent Panamanian road sweeper though.

Hagler was not fighting out of his natural weight you idiot. Duran fought 5 times of his natural division and had 70 fights by the time he fought Benitez.

[Dynamite Kid]

Leonard=One of the best ever at 147lbs
Hearns=The best ever at 154lbs(maybe McCallum)
Hagler=The best ever at 160lbs(maybe Monzon)

youre really going to count these kind of losses against Duran? the guy was a Lightweight.

notable wins?
1. Ernesto Marcel, future featherweight champ, first man to beat Alexis Arguello. Duran beat him at 130lbs, and when he was a teenager.
2. Former long reigning 130lb champ Hiroshi Kobayashi
3. 43-1 champ Ken Buchanan, who had wins over Ismael Laguna, Carlos Hernandez and went on to beat an older Carlos Ortiz
4. 2 wins over future champ Esteban DeJesus
5. Dominant win over Carlos Palomino, who had taken Benitez to a split decision in his last fight and was a Welterweight champ
6. An unbeaten Ray Leonard, and I dont think I need explain anything here. Leonard is at least in the top 5 of the Welterweight division of all time.
7. Former Welterweight champ Pipino Cuevas
8. Unbeaten Light Middleweight champ Davey Moore, who went on to beat Benitez
9. Iran Barkley, who was coming off his KO win over Hearns and went on to beat Hearns again and become a three division champ.
10. A win over Jorge Fernando Castro, a former champ who went on to have a run at Cruiserweight. Duran beat him when he was 46, and when Castro was ranked in the top 5 at Middleweight at the time.

and these are just some of the names on Duran's record. and keep in mind that during most the time that Duran was fighting, there were only 2 major belts instead of the laughable 4 that we have today. in other words...it was way harder to become a world champ than it is today.

blackirish you are a GREAT poster