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    Originally posted by el*** View Post
    My sources in the industry told me Arum just provides Fat Dan a grub hub account with a TR credit card linked that Fat Dan can use to order whenever he wants. Cheapest positive media publicity Arum ever had to buy.
    IDK about all that! I'm disappointed that Rafael didn't express much outrage, but I do remember this:

    January 7, 2012:

    Blame Arum for no Pac-Floyd fight
    Dan Rafael
    ESPN

    It looms as boxing's richest fight ever, and the public has demanded it for the past few years. But forget the public, right?

    Neither guy is getting any younger, and it's a rarity for the two best fighters in the sport -- two of the greatest of all time -- to be fighting in the same division in the same era.

    But their summit meeting hasn't happened, and with every day that goes by, I think the chances of it ever happening are less and less.

    Friday's turn of events made that pretty clear. There have been previous negotiations and lots of rhetoric. At various times throughout this whole ordeal, I believe both sides have been to blame.

    But at this moment, the fault of a fight not being made falls squarely on the shoulders of Top Rank promoter Bob Arum, who, in my view, simply doesn't want to make the match at a moment when there seems to be no legitimate impediment.

    Arum doesn't want to match his cash cow, Pacquiao, with somebody he doesn't control, and he has no control over Mayweather. He once did, but that was years ago, before their nasty breakup.

    Arum is also a smart boxing guy, as are his matchmakers, Brad "Abdul" Goodman and Bruce Trampler. They know Pacquiao would be the underdog, especially given how he looked in his controversial majority decision win in November against Juan Manuel Marquez, whom Mayweather thoroughly dominated when they fought in September 2009. Arum and his people know there is a strong possibility Pacquiao will lose if he ever fights Mayweather.

    If Pacquiao did fight Mayweather and lose, he could certainly go on. But at this stage of his career, a loss might send Pacquiao deeper into politics in the Philippines, where he is already a congressman, and that would mean no more Pacquiao fights -- or at least only sporadic fights -- for Arum to make millions on.

    It was just this week that Arum said he would go to the Philippines to meet with Pacquiao and present him with the names of four possible opponents for May or June: Miguel Cotto, Marquez, Lamont Peterson and Timothy Bradley Jr.

    Arum figured Mayweather would be in jail and off the table. Now that Mayweather is available and seemingly would like to make the match, Arum suddenly isn't interested.

    He used the lame excuse of the cut Pacquiao suffered against Marquez, saying he might not be ready for May. (I've never heard of a cut taking more than six months to heal.) However, earlier this week, when Arum thought Mayweather would be on ice behind bars, he said there was a good possibility Pacquiao would fight in May.

    Moments after Mayweather was granted the continuance, Arum changed his tune.



    The only thing I might add, is that Top Rank didn't have a deal with ESPN at that time! I still like Fat Dan, but he's so used to Arum saying insane things, that I think he just brushed it off! Not a good look, and not a good time!

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      PBC, Spence, Haymon and Ellerbe are a joke. The biggest disgrace to boxing, no to all of sports by far.

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        Originally posted by Shadoww702 View Post
        I believe that. He always does fluff pieces for TR.

        Probably spin Crawford/Kavaliauskas as Fight of the Year.

        ESPN works for Bob Arum
        Fat Dan works for ESPN.
        At this stage, because of the ESPN partnership with Top Rank, we should expect fluff pieces related to Top Rank or Top Rank fighters. Fat Dan is a loyal ESPN employee.

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          Originally posted by Fabes88 View Post
          It can’t work both ways. Weve seen haymon fighters come out in the past and openly admit they prefer working with al over other promoters and trust him because he’s a black man. You can’t get mad at arum for pretty much saying the same thing
          Haymon isn't a promoter. So you just lied.

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            Originally posted by Street Thug View Post
            Reality check:

            Poosy-Black-Cowards
            Fabulous Comment

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              Even Crawford's trainer/manager said Arum's behavior is not going to get the fight made. But people on here who want to see the fight still won't hold Bob accountable for his behavior.

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                Originally posted by Death_Adder View Post
                PBC, Spence, Haymon and Ellerbe are a joke. The biggest disgrace to boxing, no to all of sports by far.
                Why? Because they don't want to do the fight that you want to have right now (lol).

                Let that ish marinate!

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                  The Protecting Boxing Cowards (PBC) at the Welterweight level hold hands and sing Kumbaya....They've been singing kumbaya for several years already and they will continue into the future.

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                    I don't have a problem with each of them having one or two more fights before meeting. Build it up some more, but not by padding their records against journeymen or washed up shot fighters. If Crawford can get one or two good wins under his belt against Brook, Vargas, or another PBC alumni like Danny or Porter, and Spence gets in a solid win over Porter, Thurman or Danny, that will build interest in the showdown that can reasonably take place mid-2020.

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                      They'll wait till 2021 when Bud is 34

                      Bud won't get Errol till he's 34 which would give Spence the best chance to win. Not saying Spence doesn't have a chance to win now but he would be in an even better position if they wait till Bud get's a little longer in the tooth. PBC keep the money in house by fighting Garcia, Thurman, Porter, Pacman and then if those guys want to continue making money then maybe they'll fight Crawford. Maybe Bud can fight Figueroa, Vargas, Brooke or Ugas to stay sharp in the mean time. Not ideal but it is what it is at this point. Not really a lot of bankable options for Crawford right now due to politics.

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