Comments Thread For: Reality check: Crawford-Spence not happening soon, says Ellerbe

[Shadoww702]

My sources in the industry told me Arum just provides Fat Dan a grub hub account with a TR credit card linked that Fat Dan can use to order whenever he wants. Cheapest positive media publicity Arum ever had to buy.

I believe that. He always does fluff pieces for TR.

Probably spin Crawford/Kavaliauskas as Fight of the Year.

ESPN works for Bob Arum
Fat Dan works for ESPN.

[Boxing_1013]

I support any type of fighter...I was a big pavlik fan back in the day....I have no real beef with loma...never had a real beef with kovalev....cept a lil bout his whining after losing to ward and with their fans that constantly make excuses...no beef with usyk

I have legit beef with golovkin though

im Portuguese and german...im dark because I tan very easily/heavily.....back in my day when I used to basically live at the beach I was legit confused for a black man lol....even in the winter months I tend to look dark even as it fades...kinda olive colored

Ok got ya. Yeah well we don't usually agree but I do agree about the Wilder Fury fight. I do think Wilder could be making a big mistake passing up on that offer from DAZN but we will see. I think he is getting bad advice there.

[chrisJS]

chris...let me preface this by saying you do this a lot....you constantly take my point and change it and stray from it and make it something it never was...ive always though you were smart enough ...so im guessing you might feel that you don't have a real argument and have to change context to make one

so I didn't say wilder had a more promising future...I said wilder simply isn't worried about fury anymore and needing him....bob figured if he pulled fury away it would send them into a panic...but wilder is trending anyway and they aren't worried about life sans fury...that was my point.....I never compared wilder/Crawford skill wise as you seem to want to....

but bob seems to be in a bit of a panic about Crawford....he has to pay him good money...and he had to pay khan more to get him for an opponent...and the future, without a pbc guy across from him, looks weak....it means overpaying opponents and plateau for Crawford....I wasn't comparing wilder/Crawford directly

not once did I ever try to compare resumes or legacies or skills...and that was evident...but somehow you felt the need to take it there...youre either very dumb or had to change context because you needed to defend your "wall"

lol@"if he takes it"....of course wilder is going to take it......but wilder wants it in vegas with American ppv money....which makes most money for everyone....yet hearn and skipper haven't mentioned that once! wilder isn't afraid to wait now

hearns two offers were doubled by skipper...but skipper still wouldn't agree to do it split with American ppv and in vegas(which everyone knows makes the most)....so as you can clearly see its actually skipper that needs the fight where it makes less money as long as its on his watch

you cant honestly think wilder would never take that fight....youre even more crazy and dumb than im starting to think you are

but my post was never about comparing wilder/Crawford.....just their current situations

wilder isn't concerned that fury is avoiding the rematch....but you can bet bob is concerned he cant get a pbc for Crawford.......if bob was real hyped about fighting prograis, taylor or even lopez down the line than he wouldn't be saying the outlandish BS hes saying about race now and calling haymon something every week lol

My interpretation was that you felt Wilder had a better future strictly from a sporting perspective than Crawford based on this

"the problem in the scenario though is wilder doesn't even care about fury now....wilder is trending upwards even without him.....Crawford is going to level out and or maybe even take a dip without the pbc guys"

I think even with a Joshua fight it isn't as bright. I think he get KO'd in that one and there aren't many options for him outside of that fight since everyone will gravitate to DAZN because the bigger money, better fighters and most respected champion is there.

You (and many others) seem to be fine with Crawford-Spence not happening but I also am of the belief that there are upcoming fighters and fights that will be available if (when) Spence moves up. I think the status and standing of the fighters I mentioned will be stronger than Thurman and Porter when they have fought Spence. So I don't think all is lost for Bud without PBC. Top Rank have always been great at developing talent and stars just look at Teofimio who's beaten nobody, not done anything and people are salivating over him before he's even been tested.

[LCRUMMY36]

PBC deserve some backlash for not even entertaining the possibility of this fight. But if T.R made an offer of 70/30 or 65/35 split then I can say that it a fair offer to at least get it started.

But it cant be a 50/50 fight when one side needs the fight badly, and the other side doesn't need it at all..

But man, could u imagine the entertainment value if Crawford would have signed with PBC..

[davef]

just face it these super fights or big fights no longer happen until both fighters are on the last years of their career and want a final big pay day

[Drew Bundini Br]

Vargas??? Hes with PBC.

PAC fought VARGAS b4 he signed with PBC though.

[MrShakeAndBake]

Spence vs Crawford better happen, or these guys cant claim to be p4p.

PBC is TRASH anyways

[Bronx2245]

Sorry cant do ring ones.

Just google Al Haymon ring magazine. They are pretty long but very good.

Keith Thurman said Al gave him another 1.2 million above his $1.5 mill purse.

You think Bob would do that???? LMFAO I wont even do a ***ish joke.

"Al puts his fighters first" - Paulie M

Again 10-15% is CRAZY low for his services. Ive seen a lot of boxers end up OWING their promotor after fights and make jack sht.

That's right, I forgot, and I post Ring TV stuff all the time! Lol! Thanks anyway! I'm on it!

[khizon]

Did Bob just say it was easy to make the manny_flyod fight?

[Motorcity Cobra]

Has al come out and said anything? I’m not sure who the y’all you’re referring to is but it’s not me.

As a black man I can understand why an American especially wouldn’t want to trust a white man. My point is that’s obviously a part of why his fighters have aligned with him and his fighters statements in the past have shown me to be right. You can’t get mad at arum for saying the same thing.

It's a baseless claim. Why is it hard for you to believe those fighters made that determination on their own? Spence for example is very socially aware. That has to do with his upbringing, not Haymon. Oshe Smith is another one. These guys do have a mind of their own you know