The skill of Deontay Wilder

[Willow The Wisp]

No it isn't, that's just your US-centric mindset talking.

You probably think the Oscars are 'the standard' too, rather than just some self-aggrandising ceremony for providing an American actor with a trophy for performing in the latest ham fisted Hollywood 'blockbuster'.

Do You think? Big fan?

[Willow The Wisp]

9 title fights against who ???
Lmfao
I'll ask you in 10 years who will be remembered and who has been forgotten
As a matter of fact , who did you compare Gatti to ???

Did you attend any of those fights?
Follow the fight game awhile?
Know a lot, do you?

[Coverdale]

Do You think? Big fan?

Yes. Americans have a poor grasp of the outside world which leads them to make strange statements such as yours.

Most people's view of the US outside its borders range among "I hope they don't start a war/bomb us" to "why can't they stop shooting each other?"

Economic powerhouse but a cultural backwater.

[MulaKO]

Did you attend any of those fights?
Follow the fight game awhile?
Know a lot, do you?

Nuthug often ?????

And yes I did attend

Did you ?????

[billeau2]

The IBHOF is the ONE thing that has meaning in this sport, in all of combat sports.

Credentialed Experts vote on this; and you don't get in if you have to rely on chokes, eye pokes, kicks, bites or buggery.


Fans and their average assessment of what an "ATG" is?.....

Jake Paul, Sam Langford...its all the same.

Luckily there are those who know to determine ATG, which can be quite fluid, but always based on a mean measure of the group discussing the term. One simply has to live with casual fans that are not able to understand how boxing works at a different level to the game.

My problem with any HOF is politics. Like keeping Pete Rose out of Cooperstown.

[BKM-]

Disagree. Fury used his legs just fine against Usyk, he moved the entire fight and only took one shot that shook him. Fury knew after the 1st Wilder fight that Wilder had no shot fighting off the back foot. He then steamrolled him in the 2nd fight. I think you are taking credit away from Wilder when you say that Fury didn't have legs in that 3rd fight. Wilder improved his defense and honestly fought a smart fight. Fury tried the same tactics and got hurt because of it. Fury should have boxed more and loomed for openings but he got lucky and didn't get knocked unconscious.

Fury is not the same since that trilogy and had he boxed more intelligently in that 3rd fight, he may have had more left in the tank. Wilder is a shell since those fights.

I take nothing away from Wilder's heart. He isn't a good boxer but he had power and went through hell trying to win. And to watch Usyk Fury both coasting to paychecks in their "classic" boring as hell fights.....it really makes you appreciate Wilder wanting to beat Fury and giving it his all.

I think you may be mixing my two different statements together there. I said Wilder pretty much lost his legs after that trilogy and that while Fury does still move good for a SuperHW, he certainly has lost the ability to move as well as he did in his prime. Quitting boxing for several years in the middle of your prime while ballooning up to an obese weight is gonna have severe effects on your athletic performances if you come back.

[billeau2]

No it isn't, that's just your US-centric mindset talking.

You probably think the Oscars are 'the standard' too, rather than just some self-aggrandising ceremony for providing an American actor with a trophy for performing in the latest ham fisted Hollywood 'blockbuster'.

Love both you guys but partial to this POV.

[billeau2]

You are hating man. Gatti wasn't nothing special. Deontay atleast had more then 9 title defenses. Then fought to a draw with the lineal champion. Gatti never did that.

Well his argument has to do with influence, appreciation, etc. It could also e argued that Gatti fought a better level of comp, I suppose. On those points I think he has a point. I still think the bar is low either way, but at least it gives a justification that makes sense. Gatti was indeed a real folk hero who represented the ethic of the boxer very well. he also had some memorable battles and wins along the way.

[billeau2]

No, he does not. Did I say he did? He is better than Wilder though.

You as usual missed the point. What you said vis a vis posted, as usual was totally irrelevent. The point was: The Bar is low for entry In my opinion. Got it now?

[billeau2]

Did you attend any of those fights?
Follow the fight game awhile?
Know a lot, do you?

That is where it becomes so important for people to look at the fights... Not the judges decisions, not other sources, but to watch the actual events. Otherwise it is hard to understand things like, the general mean for quality of fighters, etc. With Wilder one really has to see how devistating a puncher he is to appreciate his ability.