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    #71
    Originally posted by Theshotyoudontsee View Post
    Wilder was like Mike Tyson in that most of his opponents were beaten before they stepped into the ring due to fear. The difference being that prime Mike was highly skilled with great head movement and great feet, lightning fast and ko power in both hands. Guys were terrified of him for good reason.

    Wilder was a human highlight reel against cans and as he kept fighting those guys and looking unstoppable, his right hand became a real threat and guys like Ortiz and Brezeale and middle tier guys fought him very sheepishly.

    Fury outboxed him and then beat the snot out of him and it broke the spell. Wilder was always terrible and he was also fun to watch because you knew he could land the world ender at any time. The punch was so hard because it was thrown from the back of his heels and he snapped it. Anyone can learn to do it and it will badly hurt someone. Unfortunately it is very easy to telegraph and guys like Fury, Parker and Zhang easily saw it coming. ****ty cans were there for the paycheck.


    Except Fury himself almost got knocked out in two of those fights no matter how much you want to stick to the narrative that he easily beat him. Wilder was a very dangerous fighter and most of that relied on his confidence and heart. The Fury wars ruined him but again, Fury became a changed man after that as well.
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      #72
      Originally posted by BKM- View Post

      Except Fury himself almost got knocked out in two of those fights no matter how much you want to stick to the narrative that he easily beat him. Wilder was a very dangerous fighter and most of that relied on his confidence and heart. The Fury wars ruined him but again, Fury became a changed man after that as well.
      I give Wilder credit for knocking Fury down certainly. That said, Fury fought like a real idiot in the thrid fight and he walked into a few right hands. It gave us all a damn fun fight but Fury got damaged much more than needed by fighting the way that he did. Kudos for Wilder preparing as well as he did, he knew Fury was going to force him on the back foot, and Wilder had some success.

      In the end though Wilder's lack of skill showed up against any good fighter he faced after that. He was just really, really bad.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Dr Z View Post

        Wilder has no business in the HOF
        I'll be sure and bring that up. But the Olympic games medal, the Knockout ratio, and the sheer number of successful title defenses featuring ones against Ortiz and Fury are apt to outweigh your opinion.

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          #74
          Originally posted by Dr Z View Post



          Would not listen to his trainer or could not do it? I say he never set up a KO with his jab, never learned defense, and fogut many C and B fighters on the decline! With his grade A power that was enough for him to win. Power is tied to the quality of opposition! Who did he KO in the top 15 when he fought them? Nobody, that's who!

          Without Max Kellerman in the situation, he could hit hard, but not that hard.​
          Ortiz was a top 10 heavyweight when he fought. Just saying.

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            #75
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

            And Gatti does?
            Deontay was way better then Gatti. If Gatti is in then Deontay should be in. Facts !
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              #76
              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

              I don't know... Charlie made a call and Deontay showed up.
              Charlie Z is the man lol

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                #77
                Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

                Deontay was way better than Gatti. If Gatti is in then Deontay should be in. Facts !
                No fughin way
                Sorry

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by MalevolentBite View Post

                  Ortiz was a top 10 heavyweight when he fought. Just saying.
                  People just look at age instead of the fights. I believe the recent heavyweight fight with the most punches thrown was between Ruiz and Chris Areolla, Chris was "old" and called old for the fight despite this magnificent performance. Ortiz, likewise looked excellent against Wilder if people watch the fight...

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by MulaKO View Post

                    No fughin way
                    Sorry
                    Deontay is at least as good as Gatti was no? I mean point being that the HOF in boxing does not mean much... Would I discuss Wilder in the context of the real measure (ATG), no... But he has to be considered one of the hardest hitters. It is in the physics.

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                      #80
                      Wilder's power ruined Both Ortiz and Fury.
                      Fury and Ortiz Ruined Wilder, in 5 classic wars.
                      Nothing that any of them did following those wars is reflective of who they were during their respective primes.

                      The current era is 2015 - 2025

                      1. Oleksandr Usyk, Ukraine 23-0-0 (14)
                      2. Tyson Fury, England 34-2-1 (24)
                      3. Deontay Wilder, USA 43-4-1 (42)
                      4. Daniel Dubois, England 22-2-0 (21)
                      5. Anthony Joshua, England 28-4-0 (24)
                      6. Joseph Parker, New Zealand 36-3-0 (24)
                      7. Zhilei Zhang, China 27-3-1 (22)
                      8. Agit Kabayel, Turkey 26-0-0 (18)
                      9. Andy Ruiz Jr., USA 35-2-1 (22)
                      10.Luis Ortiz, Cuba 34-3-0 (29)
                      11.Dillian Whyte, England 31-3-0 (21)
                      12.Martin Bakole, Congo 21-2-1. (16)
                      13.Wladimir Klitschko, Ukraine 64-5-0 (53)
                      14.Joe Joyce, England 16-4-0 (15)
                      15.Jarrell Miller, USA 26-1-2 (22)
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